制造杀人犯（2015）

Making a Murderer S01E02

Part 3 Sept. 1, 2020, 10:29 a.m.

been done by the State Crime Lab
-该结果也成为撤销... -这个...
- and become the basis for vacating... - That there was...
让我说完
Let me finish.
撤销史蒂文·埃弗里有罪的判决
Vacating a judgment of conviction of Steven Avery,
这足以让你
is that enough for you
确定史蒂文·埃弗里并未实施性侵了吗
to know that Steven Avery did not commit this assault?
不足以这个证据是从哪来的
No. Where did the evidence come from?
我只想知道这点
That's all I'm asking.
你是说你质疑DNA检测结果...
Are you saying you doubt the DNA examination...
匹配吗我确定肯定会匹配
That there was a match? I believe there was a match.
-好那你...-以前有没有
- OK, so you... - Has DNA evidence
伪造DNA证据的情况
been fabricated before?
-有过 -你觉得
- Yes. - You think
-觉得这次也是伪造的吗 -我不知道
- that happened here? - I don't know. I don't know.
所以你认为你的画像比
So you actually think that your sketch is
指正格里高利·亚伦的DNA匹配结果
more valid evidence than the DNA evidence that's
更加准确吗
inculpated Gregory Allen.
我的画像是根据她脑中所呈现的
My...my drawing was the result of
形象画出来的
what image she had in her head.
就是这样
That's what that is.
-我只是...画笔 -好
- I'm just... the pencil. - That's right.
-我只是画笔 -我同意好的
- I'm just the pencil. - I agree with you. OK.
我的画像相比格里高利·亚伦
My sketch looks more like Steven Avery
更像史蒂文·埃弗里
than it does Gregory Allen.
对没错
Right. That's right.
像史蒂文·埃弗里这样没有钱
One of the realities in this kind of litigation
也从未有过钱的嫌犯的诉讼案
for somebody like Steve Avery, who has no money,
有一个残酷的现实
who's never had money,
那就是保险公♥司♥
is that the insurance companies
会纷纷涌来说
would get together and say...
"给你一百万放弃这件案子"
"Here's a million dollars. Walk away from this case."
我们要怎么做
What could we possibly do
才能避免史蒂文接受这样的提议呢
to prevent Steve from having that happen?
2005年10月立法委员开始起草
史蒂文被冤入狱的赔偿清单
我很想与你们共享我们的喜悦之情
I want to share with you, you know, how happy we were
当我们得知
when we realized that...
他距拿到四十万的赔偿仅有咫尺之遥
he was very, very close to having 400 grand put in his hand,
这样就排除了接受庭外和解低价赔偿的可能
which removes all of the incentive to take a lowball settlement.
只要拿到手那他就能付得起诉讼费了
He could then afford to stay in the lawsuit as long as it took.
我过得挺好
I'm doing good.
我几乎每天都在工作等乔蒂出来
I been working every day almost, waiting for Jodi to get out.
威斯康星州巡回法♥院♥ 马尼托沃克县
刑事交通诉讼
威斯康星州原告
诉
乔蒂·斯塔超斯基被告
她被拘留了
She got locked up...
你懂的酒驾
drinking, you know, driving.
刑事交通诉讼
血液酒精含量
我也多次向乔蒂抱怨让她别喝酒了
I hollered at Jodi quite a few times to stop drinking.
我猜她一定记在心里了
I guess it sunk into her
因为她确实不喝了彻底改头换面
because she did stop and she's a different person now.
我要好好奖励她
I gotta give her a lot of credit.
等乔蒂出来希望我们能订个日期结婚
When Jodi gets out, hopefully we can set a wedding date.
联邦大楼
美国联邦法♥院♥
在诉讼期间我们得知了
We learned during litigation something we had
在起诉前完全不了解的情况
absolutely no knowledge of before that lawsuit got started,
1994或1995年
那就是1995年
that 1995 was
在此案中是极为关键的时间点
a very, very significant point in this thing.
我们在录像
We're on the record.
继续对埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政♥府♥一案的取证
We're continuing depositions on the case of Avery Vs. Manit--
还有执法机关不仅
And that there is not only something to this idea
知道凶手另有其人
that law enforcement had information about somebody else,
而且内♥幕♥极深
but there is serious meat on those bones.
非常深
I mean, serious meat.
我们掌握到
What we learn is that
在史蒂文·埃弗里入狱的十年间
while Steven Avery is sitting in prison now for a decade...
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官
有一通电♥话♥
a telephone call comes in
打到了马尼托沃克县警局
to the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department
我记得接到一通电♥话♥
是另一个执法机关打来的
from another law enforcement agency,
当时至少有一名警官接了电♥话♥
which at least one of the officers involved in that process,
来自布朗县
对方应该是布朗县警局
believes to be the Brown County Sheriff's Department,
称拘留了一位嫌犯
saying that they had someone in custody
声称自己在马尼托沃克县袭击他人
who said that he had committed an assault in Manitowoc,
而且是已有人替他坐牢的一起案子
and an assault for which somebody was currently in prison.
有人替他坐牢
-你已看过138号♥证物了吧 -是的
- You've gone over exhibit 138. - Yes, sir.
安德鲁·科尔伯恩警官
马尼托沃克县警局
上面写着你曾接到一通电♥话♥
It describes you receiving a telephone call,
时间是1994或1995年
1994 or 1995,
2005年10月13日
埃弗里诉马尼托沃克县政♥府♥ 取证
对方声称自己是一名警探对吧
from someone who identified himself as a detective, correct?
对
Yes.
警探称他们拘留了一位嫌犯
The detective indicated that there was a person in custody
说他曾经在马尼托沃克县犯下某案对吧
who had made a statement about a Manitowoc County offense. Correct?
-对 -好
- Yes. - OK.
被拘留的这位嫌犯称
And what that person in custody had said
他在马尼托沃克县袭击他人
was that he had committed an assault in Manitowoc County
但有人替他坐了牢对吧
and someone else was in jail for it. Correct?
是的
Yes, sir.
马尼托沃克县并没有
Manitowoc doesn't have
大量犯人被判入狱的重大刑事案件
huge numbers of major assaults where people go to prison.
犯人真正入狱服刑的案件就更是少之又少
And certainly where people would still be in prison.
声称自己袭击他人
我想说极有可能那个人
There is a very distinct possibility, I would say likelihood,
就是格里高利·亚伦
that it's Gregory Allen,
1985年史蒂文·埃弗里被冤入狱
布朗县警局
it's the Brown County Sheriff's Department
1995年格里高利·亚伦在布朗县因性侵被捕
在1995年
that is that is, in 1995,
格里高利·亚伦一案中
on the Gregory Allen Case,
格里高利·亚伦供述了有关史蒂文·埃弗里的事
that Gregory Allen has said something about Steven Avery,
安德鲁·科尔伯恩接到有关真凶认罪的电♥话♥
至少也得有个人去查验一下这件事
and at a minimum somebody ought to check this out.
这...这事显然非同小可
I mean, that's... that's a significant event.
没错我当时也是这么想的
Right. That's what stood out in my mind.
接到电♥话♥的警官名叫科尔伯恩
The fellow who got that call was named Colborn.
你可能会觉得应该会有一份
And you might say that there should be a record of him
他立即上报电♥话♥一事的记录
immediately making a report on this.
应该会有一份
There might be a record of
他立即与上级领导联♥系♥的记录
his immediately contacting a supervising officer.
应该会有一份他联♥系♥
There might be a record of him contacting
专门负责性侵案件的警探的记录
a detective who handles sexual assault cases.
总该有某个什么记录吧
There might be some record of it.
但如果你以为会这样你就错了
But if you thought any of those things, you'd be wrong,
因为1995年没有任何记录
because there isn't any record in 1995,
1995年安德鲁·科尔伯恩接到有关真凶认罪的电♥话♥
2003年是个重要的年份
Now 2003 is a year that has meaning
因为史蒂文·埃弗里在那一年出狱
because that's when Steven Avery got out.
2003年9月11日 DNA结果证明史蒂文·埃弗里无罪
2003年9月12日
而在他出狱的次日或隔日
And the day he got out, or the day after,
科尔伯恩决定
that's when Colborn decides to
联络他的上级长官伦克
contact his superior officer named Lenk.
而伦克告诉他要写一份报告
And Lenk tells him to write a report,
随后他们又去联♥系♥了警长
and they then go have contact with the sheriff.
我们现在停下来想一想
Now let's just stop and think about that for a minute.
为什么会这样
Why does that happen?
为什么八年前不上报
Why does it happen then
却在那时上报呢
when it didn't happen eight years earlier?
我想我知道答案
I mean, I think I know the answer.
我觉得答案非常简单
I mean, I think the answer is pretty clearly,
是因为那些人意识到他们惹了大祸
these people realized that they had screwed up big-time.
科尔伯恩意识到了他的长官伦克意识到了
Colborn realized it, Lenk, as his superior realized it,
警长也意识到了
and the sheriff realized it.