法律与秩序（1990）

Law & Order S20E01

Part 5 Nov. 28, 2021, 4:11 p.m.

但是法官大人共谋罪要求
But, your honor, a conspiracy charge
共谋者之间达成一致同意
requires an agreement between the conspirators.
坦纳先生和我的客户之间并没有达成一致同意
There is no agreement between Mr. Tanner and my client
要在2003年侵犯囚犯的人身
to assault prisoners in 2003.
同意要件已经由事实证明
The agreement is manifest by the fact
富兰克林撰写的备忘录
that the recommendations in Mr. Franklin's memo
通过中间人传递至
were conveyed by intermediaries
在战场上的坦纳先生并由他表示同意
to Mr. Tanner in the field and agreed to by him.
他们并没有建立起这个联♥系♥
They haven't connected the dots.
中间人的名字应当在起诉书中
Those intermediaries should be named
以共谋者的身份被点出
in the indictment as co-conspirators
否则指控在法律上是不充分的
or the charge is legally insufficient.
富兰克林在挑战我们起诉整个指挥系统
Franklin's daring us to indict the whole chain of command.
你读过富兰克林的备忘录了没有
Have you actually read Franklin's memo?
挨页读吗还没有
Cover to cover? No, not yet.
读读他对任何对虐待指控心存顾虑的人的建议
Read his advice to anyone worried about being charged with torture.
如果被告人善意地相信
"If a defendant has a good faith belief
他的行为不会导致长♥期♥的精神损害
"that his actions will not result in prolonged mental harm,
则他缺少虐待罪要求的具体故意要件
"he lacks the specific intent necessary for his actions to constitute torture.
被告人的善意相信要件
"A defendant could show that he acted in good faith
可以由研究专业文献或咨♥询♥专家予以证明
"by surveying the professional literature or consulting with experts.
完全抗辩将使针对被告的全部指控失效
善意相信是虐待罪的完全抗辩
Good faith is a complete defense to a charge of torture."
他在告诉审讯官们如何规避法律
He's telling the interrogators how to circumvent the law.
孩子们请记住如果你们要虐待别人
Just remember, kids, if you're going to torture,
动手之前先读读书
read a book first.
他们想要共谋者
They want co-conspirators?
我这就给他们共谋者
I'll give them co-conspirators.
参谋长联席会议
The joint chiefs of staff?
前国防部长
Former secretary of defense?
副总统切尼
Vice president Cheney?
开弓没有回头箭卡特先生
In for a penny, in for a pound, Mr. Cutter.
起诉书此时已经在发放了法官大人
The indictments are being served as we speak, your honor.
富兰克林先生要的联♥系♥已经建立起来了
Mr. Franklin can consider the dots connected.
这太荒谬了
It's absurd.
卡特先生这是在嘲笑共谋罪的法条
Mr. Cutter is making a mockery of the conspiracy statutes.
幕后黑手显而易见
It's clear who's behind this.
杰克·麦考伊显然是对我老板在反恐战争中的
Jack McCoy obviously took exception
所作所为表示不满
to my boss's conduct of the war on terror,
并且将这场起诉政♥治♥化
and now he's politicizing this prosecution.
如果富兰克林先生是担心一场公开审判会使他的前同事难堪
If Mr. Franklin is afraid a trial might embarrass his former colleagues,
他总是可以接受认罪协议的
He's always welcome to take a plea.
我没有理由阻止这场起诉
I see no reason for this indictment not to proceed.
庭审见了
See you all at trial.
目前为止还不错
So far, so good.
这不算什么
This was nothing.
等起诉书落到共谋者的桌子上时
The real hailstorm's gonna come
真正的暴风雨才要开始了
when those indictments start landing on the co-conspirator's desks.
客户希望我们能劝你恢复理智麦考伊先生
Our client sent us here hoping we can talk some sense into you, Mr. McCoy.
你们不是第一个试过这一招的人了
You wouldn't be the first to try.
你会掀起一场宪♥政♥危机的
You're going to spark a constitutional crisis
这不是我在威胁你
and that's no threat.
你真的想要世人如此评价你的职业生涯吗
Is that really the valediction you want for your career?
我的职业生涯我自己担心就好
You let me worry about my career.
除非你的客户想接受认罪协议
And now, unless you're all here to talk about a plea,
走好不送
there's the door.
认罪协议
A plea?
你真的以为一个小小的郡地方检察官
You actually believe that you, a county D.A.,
能因战争中发生在外国领土上的行为
can prosecute a former vice president,
起诉副总统一位内阁成员
cabinet members for their conduct of a war on foreign soil?
我以一起发生在圣地亚哥的针对美国公民的谋杀案
I prosecuted a Chilean colonel for the murder
起诉了一名智利的上校
of a U.S. citizen in Santiago.
所以说在美军基地折磨囚犯的美国政♥府♥官员
So government officials who torture prisoners on American military bases?
有何不可呢
Sure. Why not?
我告诉你为什么不可
This is why not.
这只是开头
This is just the beginning.
我们会不断给你们发新的动议
We'll keep churning them out until your office
直到你们淹死在这堆文件里
is drowning in motions.
更换法庭的动议
Motions for change of venue.
驳回起诉的动议排除证据的动议
Motions to dismiss, to suppress.
审判下周开始
Trial starts next week.
我们能看完其中一坨就不错了
We'll be lucky to get through just one of these bricks.
斯特朗不代理所有人
Strawn doesn't represent everybody.
我们分别审理
We'll sever the trials.
我们先审判富兰克林和他的同事
We'll try Franklin and his associates first.
我们给他们定罪了再向上爬指挥链
We convict them, then move up the chain of command.
康妮组一个团队
Connie, assemble a team.
让他们负责处理斯特朗的动议
Get them working on Strawn's motions.
跟你直说了杰克
Cards on the table, Jack.
我觉得我们眼睛大肚子小了
I think we bit off more than we can chew,
我都不确定我们有起诉权
And I'm not even convinced of our legal standing.
我知道
I know.
你将法理放在道德之上
You value legalities over ethics,
但有时候道德才是更加重要的
but sometimes doing what's ethical is more important.
随便你怎么侮辱我杰克
You can insult me all you want, Jack,
但是也许最道德的事就是拯救美国人的性命
But maybe the ethical thing to do here is to save American lives.
我们在和想彻底毁掉我们的敌人作战
We're at war with people who've sworn to kill us
毁掉美国的精神
for who we are.
平民妇女儿童只要他们屠♥杀♥美国人
It doesn't matter if it's civilians, women,
他们的身份并不重要
children, as long as they kill Americans.
如果我们必须用武力从他们的嘴里撬出
And if we have to use force to extract
自我保护所必须的信息
the information we need to protect ourselves,
也许这样做就是对的
Well, then maybe that's the right thing to do.
我明白了
I see.
也许我应该找别人起诉富兰克林
Maybe I should find somebody else to prosecute Franklin.
哦不用
Oh, no.
你可以看重我对法理的执着
You can count on my obsession with legalities.
如果能证明富兰克林违背了法律
If there's a way to prove that Franklin broke the law,
我就是你的最佳人选
I'm your man.
这叫做巴勒斯坦吊刑
It's called a Palestinian hanging.
北越当时就是这样折磨沦为战俘的参议员约翰·麦凯恩的
It's how the north Vietnamese tortured Senator John McCain when he was a P.O.W.
这种压力姿势被富兰克林先生的备忘录所允许
It's one of the stress positions sanctioned by Mr. Franklin's memo.
富兰克林先生的备忘录还批准了哪些严厉的措施
What other harsh techniques are sanctioned by Mr. Franklin's memo?
最知名的是水刑
The most well-known is waterboarding,
囚犯被摁住脸上放置一块布料
where a detainee is held down, a cloth is placed over his face,
然后向他的脸和鼻子泼水以模拟窒息的感觉
and water is poured over his mouth and nose to simulate drowning.
除了美国♥军♥方之外
And who, if anyone, besides the U.S. military
是否还有其他主体使用过这种审讯技术
has used this interrogation technique?
西班牙宗教法庭
The Spanish inquisition.
1480-1834年的天主教法庭，以残酷迫♥害♥异端著称
还有二战之后
And after the second world war, we convicted
我们审判了犯有战争罪行的日本军官
Japanese officers of war crimes
因为他们在我们的战俘身上使用水刑
for waterboarding our P.O.W.s.
你告诉我们在你的军旅生涯中
Now you told us that during your career in the military,
你参与了上千起审讯
you participated in over a thousand interrogations.
你是否使用过这些严厉的审讯手段
Did you ever use any of these harsh techniques?
没有
No, sir.
我们使用其他方法瓦解恐怖组织
We took down terror networks with tools like respect,
尊重亲善诡计欺骗
rapport, cunning, and deception.
没有用过备忘录中提到的技术吗
Not the techniques in this memo?
即使不管我个人对虐待的反对态度
Besides the fact i have a moral problem with torture,
虐待本身是无效的手段
it doesn't work, sir.
事实上虐待对我们是有害的
In fact, it works against us.
用虐待的手段维护我们的价值观是虚伪的
It's hypocritical to defend our values with torture.
这份虚伪就是我们自己帮恐怖组织的发放招聘广♥告♥
That hypocrisy is the best recruiting tool you can give to the terrorists.
谢谢你
Thank you.
我想明确一下加德纳先生
I want to be clear, Mr. Gardner.
如果你抓获了一名恐♥怖♥分♥子♥
If you had a terrorist who you believed
你相信他手里有信息表明
had information about a dirty bomb
24小时之内一颗脏弹将在这座城市里爆♥炸♥
set to go off in this city within 24 hours,
你也不会使用任何可用的方法
you wouldn't avail yourself of every possible technique