法律与秩序（1990）

Law & Order S20E06

Part 5 Jan. 4, 2022, 1:18 p.m.

Not for her. Did you see the file on flashposse.net?
互联网上的那个
That place on the world wide web?
他们已经不这么叫了
Actually, they don't call it that anymore.
不好意思我是该叫它无线电报吗
Excuse me, should I have said "wireless telegraph"?
闪光小队掀起了指控麦克斯威尔的狂潮
Flashposse whipped up a frenzy against Sid Maxwell.
这就是一帮虚拟的暴徒
It was a virtual lynch mob.
坐在电脑前面打字的暴徒吗
A lynch mob sitting at computers, typing things?
没错他们打的都是些那家伙该死之类的话
Yeah, things like "this guy ought to be killed"
还有怎么潜入他家的指南
and "here's how to get into his apartment."
全都送上了这个疯女人的面前
All delivered into the hands of a crazy woman.
如果一个人草率地从事某一行为
"A person is guilty of murder when they recklessly engage in conduct
该行为给另一个人造成严重死亡风险从而导致另一个人死亡
"which creates a grave risk of death to another person,
则该人犯有谋杀罪
and thereby causes the death of another person."
我清楚法律规定 -要件符合杰克
I know the law. -The shoe fits, Jack.
如果凯里·桑兹是一枚子弹那么那个网站就是枪
Kerry Sands was the bullet; the website was the gun.
你真的想这么干
You really want to do this?
你这是在挑战极限试图创设新的判例
You'll be pushing the limits, trying to make new law.
就像你当时起诉枪♥支♥制♥造♥商
Like you did with gun manufacturers
第十季第一集
和司法部虐待备忘录的作者那样
and Justice Department torture memo writers?
第二十季第一集
你具体打算起诉闪光小队网站上的那些人呢
So these Flashposse people, whom exactly are you planning to indict?
所有人
All of them.
所有人都是此动议的当事人吗
All of these people are parties to this motion?
不是我们选择的法官大人
Not by choice, your honor.
不知道为什么地检决定为麦克斯韦尔的谋杀案
For some strange reason, the district attorney has chosen to indict half of New York city
起诉大半个纽约
for the murder of Sid Maxwell.
因为他们都在他的谋杀案中起了帮助作用
Only because they all helped kill him.
这太荒谬了
It's preposterous.
一个名叫凯里·桑兹的精神分♥裂♥症患者杀了麦克斯韦尔
A schizophrenic named Kerry Sands murdered Sid Maxwell,
检方已经明明白白承认了
as the State freely acknowledges.
这些人只是在桑兹女士偶尔访问的网站上
These people did nothing but post comments on a website that
发发帖子而已
Ms. Sands occasionally visited.
这情况属实吗卡特先生
Is that true, Mr. Cutter?
发发帖子实在是轻描淡写了
"Post comments" is an understatement.
他们鼓励桑兹女士向麦克斯韦尔先生施暴
They encouraged Ms. Sands to commit violence against Mr. Maxwell.
如果我大喊杀了裁判然后某个疯子照做了
If I yell "kill the umpire" and some psychotic does it,
我也没有犯谋杀罪
I'm not guilty of murder.
这个网站可不止是劝人杀害麦克斯韦尔先生这么简单
The website went beyond exhortations to kill Mr. Maxwell.
网站上给出了操作指南
It gave instructions on how to do it.
网站上的用户的行为使得桑兹女士可以
Some of its members took actions that enabled Ms. Sands
隐蔽地出入他的家
to enter and leave his apartment undetected.
你想指控的到底是什么教唆还是实行
What are we talking about here, exhortations or actions?
法官大人在本案中两者区分并不明显
In this case, your honor, it's a pretty fine line.
我不这么觉得
Not to me.
所有关于麦克斯韦尔先生的评论哪怕是负面的
Any comment about Mr. Maxwell, even negative ones,
都是受保护的言论你不得在公诉程序中以任何方式使用
are protected speech and may not be used in any way in your prosecution.
在人满为患的剧院里大喊着火了
There is the first amendment exception
来自霍姆斯大♥法♥官于Schenck v. United States案
判决书中为说明言论自♥由♥审查标准所举的例子
若言论将造成清楚且紧迫的危险（clear and present danger）
而国会有权立法阻止此类危险，则该言论不受第一修正案言论自♥由♥的保护
此种言论是不受第一修正案保护的
about shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.
这些人中有谁在现实中身处桑兹女士或被害人附近吗
Were any of these people in physical proximity to Ms. Sands or the victim?
没有
No.
那这个剧院也不是人满为患
Then the theater wasn't crowded.
如果没有这些言论你仍能证明此案你大可继续公诉程序
You are free to proceed in accordance with my ruling, if you still have a case.
我们还可以吗 -最好可以
Do we? -We'd better.
如果我们现在不能阻止他们谁会是下一个受害者
If we don't stop them now, who's next?
法官没有彻底撤销案子你就该谢天谢地了
You're lucky the judge didn't throw your case out entirely.
她还活在20世纪
She's living in the 20th century.
网络上的言论也是有后果的
Words on the internet have consequences.
事实上她是活在权利法案被写就的18世纪
Actually, she's living in the 18th century, when the bill of rights was written,
这其实是一件好事
which, on balance, is a good thing.
如果不是网站上的人的所言所为
Well, if it weren't for what people on that website said and did,
凯里·桑兹根本不可能谋杀麦克斯韦尔
Kerry Sands would have never murdered Sid Maxwell.
确实不过你需要把所言抛在脑后
Yes, but now you'll have to forget about the "said."
我要放弃对起哄的人的指控
I'm dropping the charges against the cheerleaders,
不过我仍然要起诉网站运营者
but I'm still moving against the guy who ran the site
还有披露照片和前门密♥码♥的人
and the people who sent out the photos and the door code.
他们会抗辩说他们只是鼓励人们给麦克斯威尔些教训
They'll say they were only encouraging people to send Maxwell a message,
他们从来没想要他死
that they never intended for him to be killed.
他们在和一个疯子打交道
They were dealing with a crazy woman.
他们根本不需要形成让她杀人的故意
They didn't have to intend for her to kill him.
如果他们草率地忽视了这种情况会发生的可能性他们就有罪
If they recklessly disregarded the likelihood that it would happen, they're guilty.
祝你好运
Good luck.
谢谢你分享的这则关于魔鬼的同伙的消息
"Thank you for sharing the information about this accomplice of the devil."
这是凯里·桑兹在网站上麦克斯韦尔板块发的一条帖子
That was one of the messages posted by Kerry Sands on the Sid Maxwell section of the website.
桑兹女士一共在那里发了多少帖子
And how many messages did Ms. Sands post there altogether?
四百多条
More than 400.
板块上的第二大发帖者是谁
And who posted the second largest amount of messages there?
用户名为kewpie-doll的人
Someone with the screen name kewpie-doll.
她一共发过22条
She posted 22.
400条到22条
22 versus 400.
桑兹女士的消息还有什么别的引人注意的点吗
Now did Ms. Sands' messages stand out in any other way?
没有人再提到撒旦
No one else mentioned Satan.
也没有人提到上帝的天使会向麦克斯韦尔先生复仇
No one else mentioned that god's angels would take vengeance on Mr. Maxwell
并在他邪恶的血泊中起舞
and dance in his evil blood.
你觉得她的消息理智吗
Would you characterize her messages as sane?
反对证人是一名精神病医师
Objection. The witness is a psychiatrist.
她对消息正常与否的判断和一名外行人不同
Her judgment isn't the same as that of a layperson reading those messages.
反对有效
I'll sustain that.
奥利弗医生请再读几条桑兹女士发的帖子
Dr. Olivet, please read some more of Ms. Sands' postings.
此人受到他公正的裁决时上帝的天使将在天堂高歌♥
"God's angels will sing in heaven "when this man gets his just reward.
上帝教导我们一命还一命
"Death shall be answered with death, the lord commands us."
一命还一命
"Death shall be answered with death."
根据搜查令
Pursuant to a search warrant,
我们从利里先生家里查封了一台服务器
we seized a computer server from the residence of Mr. Leary
并将它交给了计算机犯罪部门
and turned it over to our computer crimes squad.
该部门得出了什么结论
And what did that squad determine?
卡根先生黑进了麦克斯韦尔家大楼的监控摄像头
That Mr. Keegan had hacked into and manipulated the security cameras
并篡改了录像
at Mr. Maxwell's apartment building,
梅森先生破解并公开了他家大楼大门的密♥码♥
and Mr. Mason cracked and posted the code to the front door of his building,
桑兹女士在谋杀麦克斯维尔先生前不到一小时
while Ms. Sands obtained that information from the website
从网站上获悉了此消息
less than an hour before she murdered Mr. Maxwell.
有没有任何迹象表明被告人在看到桑兹女士发表的
Was there any sign the defendants attempted to limit Ms. Sands' access
关于魔鬼和天使血液与死亡等的无数消息后
to that kind of information after they saw her hundreds of messages on the website
试图限制她对网站的访问权限
about the devil and angels and death and doom and blood?
没有
No.
事实上利里先生的态度很明确
In fact, Mr. Leary made a point of sending private e-mails to Ms. Sands,
每当网站上有新内容时他都会给桑兹女士发送提醒电子邮件
alerting her whenever new information was posted.
真的吗
Really?
警探先生据你所知
To your knowledge, detective,
利里先生对桑兹女士的妄想症是否知晓
was Mr. Leary aware of Ms. Sands' delusional condition?
是的
Yes.
我们执行搜查令时我问他是否认识桑兹女士
When we executed the warrant, I asked him if he knew Ms. Sands,
他说那个女儿并没有被出租车司机所杀的女的吗认识
and he said, "The lady whose kid wasn't killed by a taxi? Yeah."
这么说他知道她有妄想症
So he knew she was delusional?
他原话是这么说的是的
That's what he said, yes.
谢谢
Thank you.
你不喜欢利里先生对吧
You don't like Mr. Leary, do you?
我对他没什么喜欢不喜欢的
I don't like him or not like him.
他反对你们对他网站的调查时
but when he objected to your investigation of his website,
他是不是叫人给你打电♥话♥
didn't he organize people to call you
说你是个胖子是个纳粹分子
and accuse you of being fat and a Nazi?
那些人从来没有说是谁让他们打电♥话♥的
Those people never said who told them to call.
哦这么说你不知道你的手♥机♥号♥码被曝光在利里先生的网站上吗
Oh, so you didn't know that your phone number was listed on Mr. Leary's website?
我知道
I knew.
当你执行搜查令时
When you served the warrant for his computers,
你不是还说他一直在骚扰你吗
didn't you complain that he had been harassing you?
我也许是这么说过
I might have mentioned that.
你到底说没说过他在骚扰你
Did you or didn't you accuse him of harassing you?
我说了他也确实在骚扰我
I did. And he was.
所以你现在是在说