- Uh, wreckage? - That is correct.
“他们是谁?”
Who-who was that?
你知道 这是一个众所周知的…
It's, you know, a well-known...
在政♥府♥工作多年的人 有确信的答案
someone who worked on this within the government for many years who would know.
我直截了当地问
And I asked point-blank,
“是否存在这些物体的物理证据”
"Is there physical evidence of the existence of these objects,
“这些飞船 不管它们是什么?”
these aircraft, whatever they are?"
他说:“是的 确实存在”
And he said, "Yes, there is."
- 机库里的残骸? - 残骸
-Wreckage in a hangar? -Wreckage.
- 他没说在机库 - 好吧 某个地方
- He did not say in a hangar. - Well, somewhere.
他只是说 “美国…” 他说
He just said, "The U.S..." He said,
“美国政♥府♥有物证”
"The U.S. government has physical evidence."
这里我们有一个主流新闻媒体人物 告诉我们它到底是什么
Here we have a major mainstream news media figure telling it how it is.
他不仅仅是简单地说:“不明飞行物是真实的”
It goes beyond simply saying, "UFOs are real,
“他们是外星人” 还有更多的东西
they're extraterrestrial." There's something more.
有些事说出来可能太可怕了
Something too terrible to be told.
- 它们是真实存在的吗? - 我不是信仰者 但有人说他们看到了那个东西
- Are they real? - I'm not a believer, but we have had people saying that they've seen things.
但是唐纳德•特朗普总统对不明飞行物问题的严肃回答
NARRATOR: But were President Donald Trump's no-nonsense answers on the question of UFOs
仅仅是想一劳永逸地解决这个问题吗?
simply an attempt to dismiss the matter once and for all?
如果是这样 那就行不通了
If so, it didn't work.
事实上 许多人认为这是一个迹象
In fact, many saw it as a sign that
表明美国政♥府♥对所有外星生物的政策已经开始转向更坦诚 甚至可能更诚实
the U.S. government's policy toward all things extraterrestrial had begun to take a more candid and possibly more honest turn.
他们仍然相信 信息披露并非迫在眉睫 但是已经在进行之中
And they remain convinced that disclosure is not simply imminent but that it's already underway.
五角大楼 2019年9月18日
在几十年的否认之后
NARRATOR: In a reversal of decades of denial,
一名海军发言人证实 最近流传的被认为是UFO的军事录像是真实的
a Navy spokesman confirms that recently circulated military footage that was thought to show UFOs is in fact authentic.
就在4个月前 “西奥多•罗斯福”号♥航♥空♥母舰上的海军飞行员向《纽♥约♥时♥报♥》透露
The statement comes just four months after Navy pilots from the aircraft carrier " Theodore Roosevelt" revealed to " The New York Times"
在2014年夏天到2015年3月
that in the summer of 2014 through March 2015,
他们几乎每天都能在美国东海岸看到不明飞行物
they encountered UFOs on a near daily basis off the East Coast of the United States.
波普:一些参议员已经证实 他们收到了有关这一切的机密简报
POPE: A number of senators have confirmed that they have received classified briefings on all this.
这是一个全新的游戏
This is a completely new ball game here.
我们正处在一个新的未知领域
We are in new and uncharted territory.
但是最近关于UFO遭遇的军事揭秘 真的意味着我们离揭秘日越来越近了吗?
NARRATOR: But do the recent military revelations concerning UFO encounters really mean that we are moving closer to the day of disclosure?
男(通过无线电):哦 我的天啊 伙计
MAN (over radio): Oh, my gosh, dude.
或者仅仅是因为他们同样对自己所目睹的事情感到困惑
NARRATOR: Or is it simply that they are equally baffled by what they are witnessing,
寻求公众的帮助来寻找答案?
and seek the help of the general public in finding answers?
令人恐惧的是 我们的政♥府♥对这些来历不明的飞船
It's frightening to hear how little our government truly knows about these unknown vehicles
在任意时间侵犯我们领空而毫发无伤的情况知之甚少
of unknown origin invading our airspace with impunity at all times upon their will.
波普:许多不明飞行物社区的人讨论这是一个单一事件
POPE: Many people in the UFO community talk about it in terms of it being a single event.
用我的话来说 披露是一个大大的“否认”
Disclosure with a big "D," as I call it.
在这种情况下
In that scenario,
总统清除了他的行程
the president clears his schedule,
在电视上向全世界宣布有外星人存在
goes on television, announces to the world that there is an alien presence.
披露仅仅是既定权力结构 会承认UFO是真实的
Disclosure is simply an acknowledgment by the established structure of power that UFOs are real
他们不属于我们的文明
and some don't belong to our civilization.
波普:社会正在为此做准备
POPE: Society is being prepped for this,
一些人相信 通过揭露政♥府♥项目和军事遭遇来做好准备
some believe, through the revelations about government programs and military encounters.
但我们现在看到的一切都是政♥府♥准备告诉我们的
But all those things we're seeing now is the government getting ready to tell us
这样当它被宣布时就不会有巨大的震惊和恐慌
so that there won't be the huge shock and panic when it is announced.
因为重点是 有了这些准备工作
Because the point is, with all of this, of course,
如果你告诉人们他们已经相信或怀疑的事情 你不会让他们太震惊
you don't shock people so much if you tell them something they already believe or suspect.
但是不管政♥府♥最近披露的关于不明飞行物的消息 是意外泄露的结果还是战略计划的一部分
NARRATOR: But whether the government's recent revelations about UFOs are the result of an unintended leak or part of a strategic plan,
有两件事是肯定的:
two things are certain:
不明原因的遭遇在美国领空越来越频繁
unexplained encounters are happening with increasing frequency in U.S. airspace,
与此同时 海军公布了一项新计划 让飞行员更容易地报告UFO目击事件
and at the same time, the Navy revealed plans to create a new process to make it easier for pilots to report UFO sightings.
尽管美国♥军♥方多年来已经停止收集报告了
Even though the U.S. military stopped collecting reports for many, many years,
很明显 他们又重新开始了工作 至少是归档的工作
they're clearly back in the business of at least filing them,
接受他们的飞行员的目击报告 等等
accepting them from their pilots and so on,
所以我认为这是第一次真正打破禁忌
so I think it is the first real crack in the taboo.
这不是过去的方式
This is not the way it used to be.
过去 如果你想驾驶飞机 就不要谈论你在天空中看到的东西
It used to be you don't talk about things you see in the sky if you want to fly.
因此 当海军放宽飞行员的报告时 这是对新现实的巨大让步
So when the Navy loosens up the reporting options for pilots, that is a huge concession to the new reality.
乔治•A•索卡罗斯:如果这些飞船目前正在被观测……
GIORGIO A. TSOUKALOS: If these craft that are currently being observed...
如果那些飞船不是我们的
if those craft are not ours,
如果它们不是俄♥罗♥斯♥人的
if they are not Russian,
如果他们不是中国人的
and if they're not Chinese,
我们都想知道是谁拥有这种航♥空♥技术
we should all wonder who it is who has that type of aviation technology.
如果不是我们星球上的人的
And if it's not someone from our planet,
那么 还剩下谁呢?
well, who else is left?
多兰:事实上 多年来 军事飞行员一直在公开场合说同样的话
DOLAN: The fact is that military pilots for years and years have been saying the same thing publicly.
他们只是没有得到公众的关注
They just haven't gotten the attention that these individuals have gotten.
这就是区别
That's the difference.
真正的问题是:为什么 为什么是现在?
And the real question is: why, and why now?
波普:现在我们有了这些揭露的事 海军的视频
POPE: Now we've had these revelations, the Navy videos,
事实上 海军已经改变了他们的政策 让他们的飞行员报告目击事件 事情正在改变吗?
the fact that the Navy have changed their policy, telling their pilots to report, are things changing?
你觉得我们要怎么做?
And where do you think we're going with this?
我不认为大多数新闻机构会一直报道这件事 直到一些……
I don't think that most news organizations will cover this persistently until some...
你知道 外星王国闯入6点新闻并要求我们服从他们
you know, the alien king breaks into the 6:00 news and demands obedience.
对吧? 我认为政♥府♥会坚持忽视这个事情
Right? I think they're gonna persist in ignoring it
因为有太多的社会压力去嘲笑他们
because there's just a-a lot of social pressure to, to scoff.
一段时间后 当人们发现负责人撒谎时 社会就崩溃了
You get societal breakdown after a while when the people in charge lie.
因为这使得人们不可能接受任何东西 任何表面价值的解释
Because it makes it impossible for people to accept anything, any explanation at face value.
它腐蚀了
Um, and it corrodes the bonds that,
连接政♥府♥和公民的纽带 所以…
that connect the government to its citizens, so...
我认为我们应该学会更多
I think it's very likely that we're gonna learn more.
有很多人认为披露过程并不新鲜
NARRATOR: There are many who believe that the disclosure process is not new
只是进入了一个不同的阶段
but has simply entered a different phase.
他们认为信息披露实际上始于几十年前
They argue that disclosure actually started decades ago,
是一项战略计划的一部分 通过书籍、电影
and was part of a strategic plan to prep the global population by means of books, movies,
电视节目和其他形式的流行娱乐节目
TV shows, and other forms of popular entertainment.
巴塞特:现在45%的美国人
BASSETT: 45% of the American people right now,
当投票时说 是的 外星人已经在身边了
when polled, say that, yeah, the ETs are already here.
他们从五岁起就一直在看关于外星人的电影
They've been watching movies since they were five years old about extraterrestrials.
我们已经被大量灌输或教育关于外星人的概念
We have been heavily indoctrinated or educated on the concept of extraterrestrials.
我们可以在CGI电影中乘坐宇宙飞船
We fly in spaceships in-in our CGI movies.
所以(如果没有这个过程) 我们突然被告知有外星人在这里 我们会感到不可思议
So the idea that suddenly we're told there's extraterrestrials actually here as being some unbelievable,
会无所适从
had-no-idea kind of thing... no.
但是如果人类正处于所谓的“披露倒计时”
NARRATOR But if mankind is on a so-called "countdown to disclosure,"
这是否仅仅意味着我们的政♥府♥和世界上其他地方的人们意识到
does that simply mean that our government and those around the world are aware that
在遥远的星球上确实存在着智慧生命?
intelligent life does exist on some other, distant planet?
或者这是否意味着某种形式的外星智能已经来到了这里 也许 事实上
Or does it suggest that some form of alien intelligence has already come here, and may, in fact,
已经在这里住了几个世纪了?
have been living here for centuries?
就古代宇航员理论家和UFO爱好者而言
NARRATOR: As far as ancient astronaut theorists and UFO enthusiasts are concerned,
突然出现遭遇外星人的信息并不令人意外
the sudden flurry of information concerning possible alien encounters comes as no surprise.
对他们来说 几十年来外星人遭遇的证据是显而易见的
For them, evidence of extraterrestrial encounters has been obvious for several decades.
然而 是什么让他们困惑
What has them baffled, however,
事实是经过几十年的严厉否认
is the fact that after decades of harsh denials,
世界各国政♥府♥都开始公开他们的档案 并进行合作
governments all over the world are beginning to open up their files and cooperate.
多兰:事实上 信息披露运动已经存在70年了
DOLAN: In fact, there's been a disclosure movement for about 70 years now.
从20世纪50年代♥开♥始 一个名为NICAP的组织在50年代末成立
Starting in the 1950s, you get an organization known as NICAP formed in the late '50s
目的是非常细致地研究不明飞行物
with the express intent of researching UFOs in a very meticulous way,
同时 国会就此事采取政♥治♥行动
at the same time getting political action on this matter in Congress.
波德斯塔:我认为在相当一段时间里 有一种看法认为政♥府♥一直在隐藏球体
PODESTA: I think that there's been a history and a perception that the government has been hiding the ball.
我认为这是有原因的
And I think there's a reason for that,
大部分的调查
which is that most of the investigations,
都是通过机密程序完成的
uh, has been done through classified programs.
我认为这导致了很多关于政♥府♥隐藏着事物的猜测
And I think that's led to a lot of speculation about what the government's hiding.
最好的消毒剂是让美国人♥民♥知道真♥相♥是什么
And the best disinfectant is to let the American people know what the truth is.
科贝尔:那个系统在很长一段时间里都是封闭的
CORBELL: That system was a closed loop for a long time.
然而 在最近的事件之后
However, after the recent events,
海军已经改变了他们对报道这些事情的态度
the Navy has then changed their attitude towards reporting these things.
这是大的改变 这是真的
This is big, this is real,
这正在发生 如果你还不明白
this is happening, and if-if you don't understand it,
你该赶上来了
it's time for you catch up.
许多人认为 美国政♥府♥第一次掩盖真♥相♥ 和揭露真♥相♥运动的起源 要追溯到1947年7月
NARRATOR: Many date the origin of both the first U.S. government cover-up and the disclosure movement to July 1947...
著名的罗斯威尔UFO坠毁事件的那天
the date of the now-famous Roswell UFO crash.
这起事件始于美国空军发布了一份令人震惊的新闻稿
The incident began when the Air Force issued an astounding press release stating that
称军方在新墨西哥州的一个牧场发现了“飞盘”的残骸
the military recovered the remains of a "flying disc" from a New Mexico ranch.
这件事立即成为当地报纸的头版新闻
The story immediately became front-page news in the local paper.
但不到一天 官员们就收回了最初的声明
But within a day, officials retracted their initial statement
称发现的只是一个坠落的气象气球的碎片
and dismissed the find as simply debris from a downed weather balloon.
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