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and you never came across
这种手腕 膝盖和脚踝的伤吗
pattern of injuries that involved the wrists, knees and ankles?
你别忘了
Yeah, but you have to remember that
我们小组刚发现
my team had only just discovered that
雷斯顿警长的指挥官
DS Railston's Officer Commanding,
莱斯特·哈格雷夫斯高级警司是黑警
Detective Chief Superintendent Lester Hargreaves, was corrupt,
而且还协助了犯罪团伙
having been an accomplice with the OCG
持械抢劫东田仓库
in their armed robbery of the Eastfield Depot.
所以你的解释是
So you're offering by way of an explanation
你有所隐瞒
that you withheld information
是因为担心你的话会被雷斯顿当做把柄
for fear of how it would be misused by Railston?
袭击我妻子的似乎是
The assault on my wife appeared to be the work of
我们所调查的犯罪团伙
the organised crime group that we were investigating -
对我的威胁或警告
a threat or a warning to me
想打♥压♥调查
to suppress the inquiry.
我就是不想让他们如愿
I just didn't want to give them the satisfaction
让他们知道这事让我多难过
of knowing how upsetting I found the whole event.
所以你的确知道这些伤的意义
So you did appreciate the significance of the injuries?
是的 好吧
Yes, all right.
如果非要我说这种人尽皆知的事
Look, if you want me to state the obvious.
是的 这是类似准军事和或恐怖组织
Yes, a resemblance to punishment and/or torture
所采取的惩罚和或折磨手段
meted out by paramilitary and/or terrorist organisations.
是的 那么我们再说
Indeed, so now let's turn to
你1982年到1989年间
your service with the Royal Ulster Constabulary
在皇家警♥察♥部队的服役史
in the period 1982 to '89 inclusive.
62号♥文件
Document 62.
爱德华·黑斯廷斯警员当时在西贝尔法斯特服役
PC Edward Hastings served in West Belfast.
这是一份托马斯·柯兰福德警长
A periodic professional assessment
于1988年夏所提交的
submitted in the summer of 1988
定期职业评估报告
by Police Sergeant Thomas Cranford
请注意下面这段话
notes the following...
黑斯廷斯似乎
"Hastings appears
与天主教群体建立了良好关系
to have a rapport with the Catholic community
因为他本人就是天主教♥徒♥
due to his own Catholic tendencies."
你是否可以再跟我们说说你的背景
Are you able to tell us a little bit about your background?
我真的不想
Well, I'd really rather not.
皇家警♥察♥部队里的天主教♥徒♥ 你肯定是少数派
A Catholic in the RUC, you were in the minority.
我当时 现在 都是一名警♥察♥
I was, and am, a police officer.
我不会因宗教信仰歧视
I do not discriminate against my fellow officers
其他同僚
on grounds of creed
我也希望能得到同样的对待
and I would appreciate the same courtesy.
那位写这份
Well, the Sergeant writing up
皇家警♥察♥部队定期职业评估报告的警长
that RUC periodic professional assessment
可不介意提这个
didn't mind referring to it.
继续读62号♥文件
Document 62 continued,
黑斯廷斯的家庭背景比较复杂
"Hastings' family background is more complicated,
这可能对未来任务很有价值
which may prove valuable in future assignments."
他这话什么意思
What did he mean by that?
-你得去问他了 -我们问了
- You'd have to ask him. - We did.
文件夹里的65号♥文件
Document 65 in your folders.
是现退休的前警长
Statement by former Police Sergeant,
托马斯·柯兰福德
now retired, Thomas Cranford,
于3月14日向反腐3组
submitted to Anti-Corruption Unit 3
做的陈述
on the 14th of March.
我们都以为他是新教♥徒♥
"We all thought he was Protestant.
听他的名字 还可能是什么
"Edward" and "Hastings"... What else is the fella going to be?
结果 这事还挺敏感
Turned out that was a sensitive subject.
他老爸是个新教♥徒♥ 但娶了个天主教♥徒♥
His old man was a Protestant but he'd married a Catholic
后来他抛妻弃子
and when he went off,
小泰德就被妈妈养成了天主教♥徒♥
his mum brought up young Ted that way."
-你为什么离开了皇家警♥察♥部队 -呵
- Why did you leave the RUC? - Well...
反正刚刚读出来的那种话没让我想留下
The kind of talk we just heard being quoted didn't help.
1989年 你受了重伤
In 1989, you suffered serious injuries.
1989年6月29日
On the 29th of June, 1989,
一辆皇家警♥察♥部队巡逻车压过了一枚土制炸♥弹♥
an RUC patrol vehicle drove over a pipe bomb,
导致帕特里克·奥马利警员死亡
causing the death of PC Patrick O'Malley
爱德华·黑斯廷斯警员受重伤
and serious injury to PC Edward Hastings.
两名天主教♥徒♥警员被针对
Two Catholic officers targeted...
是啊 我申请调离的原因
Yeah, well, it doesn't take a genius to see
也不难理解了吧
why I put in for a transfer.
也或许你被针对是另有原因
Or were you targeted for another reason?
我不明白你指的是什么
I don't know what you're referring to.
我想说说1988年到89年间发生的事
I'd like to examine events in the period 1988-89
具体是你所参与的一项特别任务
and specifically a special assignment that you took part in.
你是否认得安-玛丽·麦吉利斯这个名字
Do you recognise the name Anne-Marie McGillis?
录像补充 我向接受询问者展示了41号♥图
For the DIR, I'm showing interviewee Image 41,
这是皇家警♥察♥部队档案中
an RUC file photograph
安-玛丽·麦吉利斯的照片
of Anne-Marie McGillis.
黑斯廷斯先生
Mr Hastings?
这是30年前的事了 拜托
You're going back 30 years here. Come on.
看看这是否能激起你的回忆
Well, let's see if this can jog your memory.
文件夹里的78号♥文件
Document 78 in your folders.
78号♥文件是一份
Document 78 is a report
1989年5月23日纳入皇家警♥察♥部队档案的
entered into the Royal Ulster Constabulary files on Missing Persons,
失踪人口报告
dated the 23rd of May, 1989.
安-玛丽·麦吉利斯于1989年4月19日
Anne-Marie McGillis was reported missing
被上报失踪
on the 19th of April, 1989.
前一晚 1989年4月18日周二
The night before, Tuesday the 18th of April,
安-玛丽把儿子留在了邻居家
Anne-Marie left her son with a neighbour,
并告诉邻居说
informing the neighbour that
她要出门几小时
she was popping out for a couple of hours
去医院探望个朋友
to visit a friend in hospital.
安-玛丽之后再没回来接儿子
Anne-Marie never returned to collect her son.
没有目击证人站出来透露
No witnesses came forward to reveal
安-玛丽失踪当晚的去向
Anne-Marie's movements on the night she disappeared.
安-玛丽身边的人也无法说出
No one known to Anne-Marie was able to identify
那位入院的家族朋友是谁
the family friend who was admitted into hospital.
失踪人口组最终认定此人根本不存在
The Missing Persons team concluded that this person didn't exist,
安-玛丽就她失踪那晚
and that Anne-Marie had deceived her neighbour
是要去哪 向邻居撒了谎
regarding her activities on the night she disappeared.
多个认识安-玛丽的人
A number of individuals known to Anne-Marie
在失踪调查中接受了询问
were interviewed in connection with the missing persons inquiry.
其中就包括爱德华·黑斯廷斯警员
And one such individual was Police Constable Edward Hastings.
你记得这些事吗 黑斯廷斯先生
Do you recall these events, Mr Hastings?
记得一些
Some.
你都记得什么
What do you recall?
安-玛丽的丈夫
Well, Anne-Marie's husband
几年前被杀了
had been murdered a few years before.
他在北爱尔兰问题期间参与了活动
Apparently he was active during the Troubles
就是那种很可怕的报复性杀戮
in one of those nasty little tit-for-tat killings.
总之 安-玛丽
Anyway, Anne-Marie,
她把她丈夫的死怪罪到了
she blamed someone higher up the chain of command
上面领导人的头上
for her husband's death. You know...
她觉得他的牺牲是没必要的
She felt that he was sacrificed needlessly.
我觉得因为悲痛
And in grief, I think...
她开始向警方透露
..Made her turn to passing information
关于恐♥怖♥主♥义♥活动的情报
to the police about terrorist activities.
她是个线人
She was a CHIS, an informant?
是的
Yeah.
你是否在安-玛丽做线人一事中扮演了任何角色
And did you play a role in Anne-Marie serving as a CHIS?
是的 她就住在我的辖区 在当时
Yeah, well, she lived on my patch. You know, in those days
皇家警♥察♥部队是不太好进入一些地区的
it was very difficult for the RUC to enter certain areas, to...
这么说算轻的了
to put it mildly,
一些本地女人知道了我妈妈是天主教♥徒♥
and I think some local women found out my mother was a Catholic
我也是天主教♥徒♥
and that I was a Catholic too
这为我赢得了一些信任
and I think that bought a bit of trust.
你对安-玛丽信任警方
You were instrumental in Anne-Marie trusting police
向警方透露恐怖组织的情报起到了关键作用
with information she was disclosing about terrorist organisations?
我就是帮了忙
I helped, that's all.
你是否跟麦吉利斯太太见过面
Did you have meetings with Mrs McGillis?
见过几次
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