国务卿女士

Madam Secretary S04E08

Part 2 Dec. 15, 2019, 3:43 p.m.

You are aware that Macias is in prison
服刑的事吧国务卿女士
in Jalisco, Madam Secretary?
你当然知道了
Of course you are.
你只是不相信我们的司法系统
You just don't trust our justice system.
戈麦斯部长我向您保证
Secretary Gomez, I assure you
这个要求仅针对美国司法系统
this request is solely about the U.S. Justice system.
马西亚斯被七个州通缉
Macias is wanted in seven states.
他还被九个联邦法♥院♥指控
He has indictments from nine federal courts.
与此同时他是一名墨西哥公民
He is also a Mexican citizen,
已被墨西哥司法系统裁定有罪
convicted by the Mexican judiciary.
不过你们似乎也无意尊重我们的主♥权♥吧
But why should you respect our sovereignty?
我们非常尊重墨西哥
We have great respect for Mexico.
事实上我能够保证我们会遵守你们的法律
In fact, I can guarantee we will honor your laws
马西亚斯不会面临死刑
and Macias won't face the death penalty.
这倒是个开始
That is a start.
为了公平考虑这次交易
But to even consider this deal,
萨拉戈萨总统想要新的贸易规定
President Zaragoza wants new trade provisions.
取消对网络安全软件的限制
Lift the restrictions on cybersecurity software.
五角大楼没有向任何其他国家提供
Well, the Pentagon doesn't give cyberweapons
网络武器
to any foreign country.
我不是说你们军队方面的
I'm not talking about your military.
我说的是私人公♥司♥
Private companies.
在与墨西哥的网络贸易方面你们有许多
You have many burdensome regulations around cyber trade
繁琐的法规
with Mexico.
这也是有正当原因的
Well, for good reason.
你知道让网络武器不被
Do you have any idea how hard it is
那些不守规矩的人利用有多困难吗
to keep cyberweapons away from bad actors?
对亲密的盟友来说这样不被信任挺伤人的
That is a rather galling lack of faith for a close ally.
显而易见的事实是美国的枪♥支♥
It is a well-documented fact that American guns
已经成功送达贩毒集团手中
have made their way to cartel hands.
比起一串代码枪更能保障安全
And a gun is a lot easier to keep safe than a string of code.
再说一次你知道墨西哥最需要什么
Once again, you know what is best for Mexico.
你就不能打消这个念头
Can you just knock that off?
我向你保证我是充满诚意地在谈判
I assure you that I am negotiating in good faith.
但我们没什么可谈判的
But we have nothing to negotiate.
道尔顿总统想要马西亚斯
President Dalton wants Macias.
对萨拉戈萨总统来说网络是第一位的
Cyber is a priority for President Zaragoza.
你得想办法否则就别谈交易
You need to make it work. Or no deal.
让你们的反腐部门别插手了
And tell your anti-corruption unit to stand down.
我们的政♥府♥绝不会
My government is no longer in the mood
再任凭你们的官僚指手画脚了
to be educated by your bureaucrats.
部...
Sec...
...长
...retary.
斯蒂芬·麦考德
我还是先发个短♥信♥吧
斯蒂芬·麦考德
明天想不想见一面
亚历山大
什么时间哪里见
好消息国务卿
Great news, ma'am.
更像是个令人吃惊的消息继续吧
Uh, it's more like insanely amazing news. Go ahead.
凯特为我们的网络武器找到了坚固的
Kat found some ironclad security guarantees for
-安全保障 -安全保障
- our cyberweaponry. ?- Cyberweaponry.
萨拉戈萨总统会在
President Zaragoza will sign
一小时内签署引渡协议的
the extradition agreement within the hour.
抱歉我只是过于激动无意冒犯
Apologies. I promise this is enthusiasm, not impertinence.
-明白 -太好了
- Understood. - That is great.
真的令人吃惊
And insanely amazing.
《华盛顿纪事报》的米格尔·布里塞尼奥
Ma'am, Miguel Brise?o from the Washington Chronicle is here
-来采访您了国务卿 -墨西哥总编辑
- for your interview. - Mexican bureau chief?
我稍后过去
I'll be there in a second.
细节呢
Details.
多亏了桑多瓦尔女士
It was all Ms. Sandoval.
说说吧
Well, let's hear it.
不我只是让情报研究局去找
No, I just, uh, asked INR to find
墨西哥想要联♥系♥的美国网络安全公♥司♥
the American cybersecurity firm that Mexico wants
凯兹利特编程公♥司♥ 然后我和他们的
to contract, Kizlet Programming, and then I made
CEO肯尼·菲斯克建立了非常可靠的协议
a super solid deal with their CEO, Kenny Fisk.
他保证任何凯兹利特的股份
He guaranteed that any tech Kizlet shares
都完全是可追踪的
will be completely traceable and can be disabled remotely
能够随时远程禁用网络司令部
at a moment's notice. CYBERCOM signed off
可以五秒钟内叫停根本就不是问题
in, like, five seconds. It was barely even a thing.
通常那些私企的家伙他们讨厌
Usually, those private sector guys, they hate working
-和政♥府♥合作 -可不是
- with the government. - Tell me about it.
我在脸谱网上搜索了菲斯克
So I Facebooked Fisk.
发现他特别喜欢尼尔·斯蒂芬森
Found he's deep into Neal Stephenson.
没听过
That doesn't ring a bell.
是不他是科幻小说家
Yeah. No. Sci-fi author.
他写了《编码宝典》
He wrote Cryptonomicon.
-不知道 -《走出围墙》
- No. ?- Anathem?
《七夏娃》
Mm. ?Um, Seveneves.
还没听过吗好吧
Still no bells? Okay.
现在我知道圣诞节送你什么了
Now I know your Christmas gift.
总之菲斯克和我对《七夏娃》里
Anyway, Fisk and I were way in the weeds about
云端方舟空间站上的改造社会超感兴趣
the reconstructed society aboard the Cloud Ark in Seveneves.
所以现在他差不多就是我的小伙伴
So, now he's pretty much my little nerd buddy.
全靠关系对吧
It's all about relationships, right?
干得漂亮凯特
Good job, Kat.
谢谢国务卿女士
Thank you, ma'am.
我要告诉你个爆♥炸♥新闻
I actually have some breaking news for you.
萨拉戈萨总统很快
President Zaragoza is moments away
就要签署引渡协议
from signing an extradition agreement.
塞尔吉奥·马西亚斯要来美国了
Sergio Macias is coming to the United States.
墨西哥要求了什么特许权吗
Did Mexico demand any concessions?
当然
Yes, of course.
我们同意放宽我们的有关
We've agreed to relax some of our...
网络安全软件
trade provisions around...
的贸易条款
cybersecurity software.
防御软件还是网络武器
Defensive software or cyberweaponry?
这我无可奉告
I'm not really prepared to comment about that yet...
你担心一旦墨西哥拥有美国网络武器
Are you concerned that if Mexico obtains American cyberweapons,
可能会落入坏人手中吗
they might fall into the hands of bad actors?
不我们对墨西哥政♥府♥有信心
No, we have faith in the Mexican government.
真的吗
Really?
你之前也得到了保证
You've had guarantees before,
然而美国枪♥支♥
and yet American guns
还是落入了垄断集团手中
have still got into the hands of cartel members.
除了贸易条款
Other than trade provisions,
美国还有其他打击垄断集团的方法吗
does the U.S. have any solutions to fight the cartels?
毕竟是政♥府♥腐♥败♥
I mean, after all, it is...
给了它们发展的机会
government corruption that allows them to thrive.
我们一直建议萨拉戈萨总统
We've been advising President Zaragoza
采取反♥腐♥败♥措施
to pursue anti-corruption measures.
我接下来说的话你不能报道
And, off the record...
你是对的
You're not wrong.
什么
Excuse me?
只要墨西哥政♥府♥官员还收受垄断集团的贿赂
We're never gonna beat the cartels
我们永远无法打败垄断集团
as long as Mexican government officials stay on their payroll.
美国还能做些什么
What more can the U.S. do?
墨西哥是我们的邻居
Mexico is our neighbor
是我们最可靠的同盟和贸易伙伴之一
and one of our most reliable allies and trade partners.
我们不能
We can't just...
强迫他们根除腐♥败♥
force them into rooting out corruption.
就好像有个好朋友他不肯停止抢银行
It's like having a best friend who won't stop robbing banks.
我们已经尽力了
We are doing everything we can,
但
but...
谢天谢地还有像你一样的顽强的记者
thankfully, there are tough reporters like you
认为墨西哥政♥府♥有责任
who are holding the Mexican government accountable.
因为最终
Because ultimately,
我认为可能是新闻界
I think it just might be the Fourth Estate
会带来变化
that brings about change.
墨西哥哈利斯科
马西亚斯我问你
你在监狱是不是变丑了
你之前长得还不错啊现在
你的脸就像是猴子屁♥股♥