詹姆斯·卡梅隆的科幻故事（2018）

James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction S01E01

Part 7 May 10, 2021, 12:05 p.m.

他的四肢非常美丽非常独特
His limbs were so beautiful and exotic
看上去像是从异世界来的人
that he already looked like he was from another world.
鲍拉吉来的那些天我们没和他一起闲聊
The days when Bolaji came in, we didn't hang out with him.
他就是未知
He is the unknown.
就是这种奇异的美与优雅
And it's a really a combination of strange beauty and elegance
与性与暴♥力♥的结合
and sex and violence
造就了异形这一伟大的怪物
that I think make the Xenomorph a great monster.
《异星兄弟》
对我来说科幻的美
For me, what was, and still is,
不论是以前还是现在
beautiful about science fiction
都在于它可以既是
is, could you have the big,
威尔·史密斯
演员
一部暑期档大♥片♥
giant summer blockbuster package
同时也可以深入探索宗教政♥治♥
but be diving into serious religious or political
《异形帝国》
或社会理念促使人们
or social concepts that sparks people to
能够聚在一起进行交流进步
get together and to communicate and evolve?
而每当我们实现这一点时
And anytime you can actually do that,
我才会觉得我们的工作算是完成了
I think that, you know, we've done our job.
外星人可以作为我们罪恶感和恐惧的载体
Aliens get to be the carrier for some of our guilts and fears
外星人暴♥力♥在市中心蔓延
而这些正来自我们对待其他人的方式
around the treatment of other people.
外星人犯罪增加导致局势紧张
对于一些人来说
For some folks,
外星人比主角更有代入感
it's easier to identify with the aliens than with the main characters.
娜洛·霍普金森
科幻作家
快点出来出来
Come on! Get out! Get out!
《第九区》
从那该死的屋子里滚出来
Get out of that bloody room.
快点出来走啊
Come on! Get outside! Move!
在《第九区》里你能见到
In "District 9," You have aliens
流落到地球上的外星人他们成了难民
who are stranded on Earth and become refugees.
他们滞留在约翰内斯堡[南非]上空
They become stranded above the city of Johannesburg,
那里曾有种族隔离的历史
which has this whole history of apartheid.
而且电影的风格模仿纪录片
And it's done like it's a documentary.
尼狄·奥考拉夫
科幻作家
我觉得那很妙
I thought that was brilliant.
《第九区》
他们花了那么多钱让他们留在这里
They're spending so much money to keep them here,
而这些钱本可以用在别的地方
when they could be spending it on other things.
但是至少至少
But at least -- at least
不允许非人类游荡
它们和我们是隔离开的
they're keeping them separate from us.
我想它们必须修好那艘船然后离开
And I think they must fix that ship, and they must go.
你好你好你好你好
Hello, hello. Hello, hello.
我们跟随一个政♥府♥官僚的视角威库斯
We follow a government bureaucrat, Wikus.
安娜李·奈维茨
资深科技文化编辑
《科技之美》
好
Okay.
我是列国联盟的威库斯·凡·得·莫威
This is Wikus Van De Merwe from MNU,
我们来向你下达驱逐通知
and we are here to serve you an eviction notice.
他被迫成为外星人
He is forced to become an alien
于是体验了被扔进难民营
and see what it's like to be put into one of these camps
被人类文明驱逐是什么感受
and to be cast out of human culture.
他被压♥迫♥了
He is oppressed.
他被蔑视了
He is spit on.
他变成了政♥府♥的试验品
He's turned into a government experiment.
我们在约翰内斯堡拍摄
We shot in Johannesburg,
特丽·塔歇尔
《第九区》编剧
我们拍摄的棚户都曾是居民真实的家
and the shacks that we shot in were real people's homes.
那里所有的棚屋
All of these shacks around here,
尼尔·布洛姆坎普
《第九区》导演
那些居民都被转移到了约翰内斯堡的其他地方
all of these residents were moved somewhere else in JoBurg,
和电影里的外星人的遭遇一样
which is exactly what happens to the aliens in the film.
将《第九区》的情节设定放在南非
Writing District 9 set in South Africa
是一个必然之选
it never could have been any other way.
当时的情形非常可怕非常可怕
It was terrible, terrible.
光是谈论这些我就会起鸡皮疙瘩
Like I get goosebumps even talking about that.
仇外情绪在那时达到了顶峰
Xenophobia was just at its peak at that time --
南非人攻击来自津巴布韦的难民
South Africans attacking people from Zimbabwe
路透社
那些逃离了自己国家的人
that were fleeing their country
停止无意义的杀戮
他们在南非寻找工作
and coming down looking for work.
南非人在难民脖子上套上轮胎
They were putting tires around their neck
然后将他们烧死
and lighting them on fire
因为他们夺走了南非人的工作
because they were taking their jobs,
这些事就发生在拍摄地
and they were doing that where we were going to shoot.
对我来说这一刻让我异常清醒得
That, to me, was the most sobering moment,
意识到笔下的这个世界和这些幻想
to know that this world and this fantasy that you've been writing
实际正在发生
actually is happening.
路透社
等等
Hang on.
停下停下
Stop it, stop it!
对于观众而言他们会意识到
For some viewers, it's going to seep in
在这些外星人身上
that a lot of the things
发生的很多事
that are being done to these aliens
就是人类之间会发生的事
are exactly what humans do to each other.
我们很多人来自处于社会边缘
Many of us come from communities
甚至是已经被消灭的社区
that have been marginalized or already eliminated.
所以科幻成了
So science fiction becomes
谈论这些事的一种有力手段
a powerful means of talking about that,
特别是如此刻意得谈论时
particularly when it's doing so deliberately.
外星飞船击垮九区
有人被拉出车外
Somebody has been pulled out of the vehicle.
好像是人类
It looks like a human being.
这是一个
It is the story
压♥迫♥者成为被压♥迫♥者的故事
of an oppressor becoming the oppressed.
而最终在我看来
And ultimately, in my mind,
这是一个只有当人不再是人后
it's a story of him gaining his humanity
他才重获人性的故事
only after he ceases to be human.
我想这是科幻所能达到的极致
I think that's what science fiction at its best does.
它抛出了那些问题
It -- it asks those questions.
西格妮·韦弗
演员
《阿凡达》
它问什么是人类
It asks, "What is it to be human?"
还有我们所谓的外星人
and, "Are what we call aliens
是否远比我们有人性
much more humane than we are?"
《阿凡达》
可能最好的例子就是在《阿凡达》中
Probably the best example is, in "Avatar,"
我们显然是入侵的殖民的奸♥淫♥的
we are clearly the invading, colonizing, raping,
掠夺的毁灭的物种
pillaging, destroying species.
N·K·杰米辛
科幻作家
这在故事中被明确地定义了
And it's framed that way explicitly in the story.
《阿凡达》展开故事的方式之一就是
One of the ideas that "Avatar" plays with
从一个外星人的角度去描述
is how the story of an alien encounter would look
一次外星人间的相遇会是怎样的
if told from the point of view of the aliens.
我认为如果我作为一个外星人
I think that if I would have approached Neytiri
去接近妮特丽[《阿凡达》女主角]as an extraterrestrial,
我想我不会走进她的内心
I don't think I would have ever tapped into her heart.
我得像妮特丽那样把人类看作外来生物
I needed to look at humans as the foreign creatures,
佐伊·索尔达娜
演员
《阿凡达》
看作来这里掠夺的
as -- as -- as the tainted species
受污染的物种
that comes here to take.
这个故事很简单我们曾听过这样的故事
This story is so simple, and it's been told before
也已经看到过它的发生
and we've seen it before.
但我还是要回到过去
But I just needed to go back to the past.
而那是我作为一位艺人
And that was the most humble journey
去尝试塑造角色时
I ever embarked on as an artist,
最为谦卑的一段经历
trying to build a character.
作为格蕾丝我要扮演一个人类
As Grace, I got to play a human
她非常喜欢自己的"阿凡达"
who also exults in being in her Avatar
也很高兴能和纳威人一样生活在这星球上
and in living on the planet as a Na'vi would.
吉姆·卡梅伦创造了潘多拉
Jim Cameron has created Pandora
以及它的原住民纳威人
with its indigenous people, the Na'Vi,
还有其他一系列令人惊奇的物种
as well as this amazing collection of other species.
影片《阿凡达》中虚构的类地卫星
他们住在一个原始世界中