詹姆斯·卡梅隆的科幻故事（2018）

James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction S01E05

Part 4 May 10, 2021, 12:06 p.m.

但接着艾萨克·阿西莫夫出现了
But then along came Isaac Asimov.
要是我们能有类人的机器人
If we could have roughly man-like robots,
艾萨克·阿西莫夫
来负责无聊的日常工作
who could take over the dull and routine tasks
那和人类简直是天作之合
that this would be a very nice combination.
阿西莫夫对塑造
Asimov was very central
现代科幻作品起了非常关键的作用
to helping make science fiction what it is today.
他出席了1939年纽约的世界博览会
He was at the 1939 World's Fair in New York City.
这对他来说肯定是一次
It must've felt like a very science-fictional experience to him,
非常科幻的经历
and not in the least part
因为他会见到伊莱克托
because he would've seen Elektro,
会抽烟的机器人
the smoking robot.
好的宝贝
Okay, toots.
这给了阿西莫夫很大的启发
And this really inspired Asimov.
他由此决定写故事
And so he decided to start writing stories
将机器人作为人类的工具
where he would explore robots as tools
助手与好友
and helpers and friends of humanity
而不是敌人
rather than enemies.
他提出的观念和思想
He invented these images and these ideas
强纳森·列瑟
作家编辑
《菲利浦·K·狄克精选集》
决定了这个领域的人们
that I think defined how people in the field
对机器人的看法
thought about robots,
特别是他提出的机器人三定律
specifically those three laws of his.
当然它们非常重要
Of course, they're really important.
机器人三定律是什么
What are the three laws of robotics?
第一是机器人不得伤害人类个体
First law is a robot may not harm a human being,
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或者因不作为致使人类个体受到伤害
or through inaction allow a human being to come to harm.
危险威尔·罗宾逊危险
Danger, Will Robinson, danger.
第二机器人必须服从
Number 2, a robot must obey orders
适格人类的命令
given it by qualified personnel.
开火
Fire.
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除非该命令与第一守则抵触
Unless those orders violate rule number 1.
也即机器人不能因指令杀害人类
In other words, a robot can't be ordered to kill a human being.
他无能为力
See, he's helpless.
《我机器人》
第三是机器人可以自卫
The third law states that a robot can defend itself.
除非违反第一或第二守则
Except where that would violate the first and second laws.
罗恩·摩尔
出品人
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
阿西莫夫的机器人三定律非常机智
I think Asimov's laws are very smart, very, very smart.
我认为它们是注定要被打破的
I think they are also made to be broken.
我们知道你会享受在西部世界的时光
We know you'll enjoy your stay in Westworld,
《西部世界》
这里是终极乐园
the ultimate resort.
在无法无天的美国边疆地区
Lawless violence on the American frontier,
居民全部由栩栩如生的机器人扮演
peopled by lifelike robot men and women.
《西部世界》设定在一家接待游客的主题乐园
The movie "Westworld" Looks at a theme park with guests coming in
丽莎·乔伊
执行制片
《西部世界》
人们在那里对机器人为所欲为
and doing whatever they please to the robots.
那是个让人们放纵自我胡作非为的场所
It was really a forum for human id to run amok,
你的所作所为
where there's no threat of anybody
没有被他人知晓的风险
knowing the things that you've done,
你也不需要与其他人发生交集
where you don't have to engage with other humans
只是被告知"去做任何你想做的事"
and you're told "Do whatever you want."
这里的运作...
Where nothing...
...绝不会出半点差错
...nothing can possibly go wrong.
-我被打中了 -差错
- I'm shot. - Go wrong.
-拔枪 -关闭立刻关闭
- Draw. - Shut down. Shut down immediately.
《西部世界》是一部有关机器人的警世恒言
"Westworld" Was a cautionary tale about robotics.
阿奇瓦·高斯曼
编剧
《我机器人》
我们相信
It was the idea that we believed
人类可以创造出人造生命
that we could create artificial life
并使它们臣服
and that it would obey us.
然后在这里停下他会从那边穿过去
And stop here and he'll be crossing there.
他会从那边穿过去
He'll be crossing there.
由迈克尔·克莱顿执导的原版电影非常棒
The original film by Michael Crichton is very cool
包含着对于人类与人工智能
and is packed with ideas about fraught interactions
乔纳森·诺兰
执行制片
《西部世界》
交互过程的担忧
with artificial intelligence.
这些思想领先时代几十年
Decades ahead of its time.
他在原版电影中提出的问题
Questions that he posed in the original film
在我们翻拍电视剧的过程中
only became more and more relevant
变得越来越有意义
as we reimagined it as a TV series.
《西部世界》
在关于机器人的故事中
When you're looking at the story of a robot,
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刚开始机器人总是温驯的
oftentimes you see a robot that's docile
然后出了点小问题它们一下全都暴走了
and then something goes click and they kind of snap.
马克西米兰
Maximilian!
我和约翰所想表达的是
What John and I talked about was,
"关注它们在大开杀戒之前
"Well, take that moment, that snap
那个失控的瞬间
before they go on the killing rampage
假如我们能使之减弱对其加以探索
and what if we really attenuate it and explore it
深入研究其中的分歧呢"
and dive deep into that schism?"
因为对我们来说那里蕴含着
Because for us, that was where really meaty,
引人深思的哲学问题那个问题就是
philosophical question rested and that question was --
生命从何而始
Where did life begin?
梅芙是其中的一个机器人
Maeve, who's one of the robots,
她是个开妓院的老鸨
she's a madam who runs a brothel.
她居住在西部地区
She's one of the first robots to start realizing
安娜李·纽威茨
资深科技文化编辑
《科技之美》
是最早一批认识到自己不是人类
that she's a robot instead of just a person
而是机器的机器人
who is living in the Wild West.
就我而言这部电视剧中印象最深的一幕
To me, one of the most significant scenes in the show
是梅芙在被修理时
is when Maeve starts coming into consciousness
恢复了意识
while she's being repaired.
你脑海中的一切都是别人输入的
Everything in your head, they put it there.
没人知道我在想什么
No one knows what I'm thinking.
我给你演示一下
I'll show you.
她看到有一个算法
And she sees it's an algorithm
在根据概率为她选择词汇
and it's choosing words based on probability.
这不可能
This can't possibly --
西部世界中的机器人开始提出疑问
The robots in Westworld begin to ask questions,
彼得·卡帕尔蒂
演员
《神秘博士》
人类也曾提出过相同的疑问
which are the same questions we ask.
我们认为世间有一个造物主
We have a sense that there is a creator,
认为我们的存在有着某种意义与原因
that there is a purpose, there's a reason that we are here.
不幸的是他们发现自己存在的原因
Unfortunately they discover that the reason that they are there
不过是成为玩物
is simply to be an entertainment.
我想做些修改
I'd like to make some changes.
人工智能领域的先驱马文·闵斯基
Marvin Minsky, who was one of the pioneers of A.I.,
曾说过自♥由♥意志可能是应对强制♥服♥从的
said that free will might be that first primitive reaction
第一本能反应
to forced compliance.
所以产生自我意识后的第一个字是"不"
So, the first word of consciousness is no.
我不会回去的
I'm not going back.
科幻作品一直在与人工智能打交道
Science fiction has always been dealing with A.I.
不管是阿西莫夫的机器人定律
whether it's Asimov's laws or the laws
还是我们试图在《西部世界》中贯彻的法则
that we tried to put in place in "Westworld."
问题的关键在于人类能否完全被法则所控制
The question is can laws ever even fully contain a human.
人们总是会调整法则寻找空档
People will stretch those laws, find exceptions to them.
我现在明白了
I understand now.
人工智能可能也会这样
Not sure that an A.I. would be any different.
当自我意识觉醒后想把魔鬼
When consciousness awakens, it's impossible
重新装回瓶子是不可能的
to put the genie back in the bottle.
我们来聊聊人工智能吧
Let's talk about A. I. for a second.
乔治·卢卡斯
导演制片人
-你电影里的机器人形象 -对
- You only see robots in a positive role... - Right.
都是正面的这很有意思
...in your films, which is interesting
因为这与目前的发展趋势
because that's where so much of the progress