詹姆斯·卡梅隆的科幻故事（2018）

James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction S01E05

Part 6 May 10, 2021, 12:06 p.m.

《她》
-你好 -你好
- Hi. - Hi.
见到你真的很高兴
It's really nice to meet you.
我要叫你什么呢你有名字吗
What do I call you? Do you have a name?
有的萨曼莎
Um... yes, Samantha.
在电影《她》中萨曼莎的设计理念是
In the movie "Her," Samantha's design
她被创造出来是用作工具的
is that she's been created to be a tool.
这个装在口袋中工具的想法之所以有趣
What's interesting about this idea of a pocket tool
是因为在现实生活中也会看到这样的例子
is that we see this in our own lives.
我们的智能手♥机♥变成了
Our smartphones have become these tools to us
我们所依赖的工具
that we're dependent on.
所以西奥多与萨曼莎的关系
So, Theodore's relationship with Samantha
只不过是更近一步罢了
is just one step beyond that.
他的生活离不开她因为他爱上了她
He can't live without her because he also loves her.
西奥多看到她出现在屏幕上时
When Theodore sees her pop up on his screen,
吉奥夫·麦克法特里奇
平面设计师
《她》
就好像看见了他的女朋友
it's like seeing his girlfriend.
-晚安 -晚安
- Good night. - 'Night.
我要做的就是创造一个界面
What I had to do was create the interface.
你可以看到字迹这是我自己的字迹
So you have like handwriting, it's my handwriting
我写出了萨曼莎这个人物
and I wrote out Samantha,
然后出现了纸张的质地但是它很神奇
and then this paper texture, but then there's a magic to it.
它会浮动以全息的方式移♥动♥
It floats, it kind of moves holographically
它还有阴影但没有任何成分是技术层面的
and there's shadowing, but none of it is technological.
在这个界面上你可能会爱上你的操作系统
An interface where it's possible to fall in love with your O.S.
这些感觉是真实的吗
Are these feelings even real?
或者只是编程的结果呢
Or are they just programming?
多么悲伤的把戏啊
What a sad trick.
对我来说你很真实萨曼莎
You feel real to me, Samantha.
电影《她》中明显包含了一个警示性故事
Part of what you see in "Her" definitely is a cautionary tale
马特·辛格
总编电影评论家
打破银幕[美国电影评论网站]
告诫我们不要太过依赖于工具
about being too reliant on your gadgets
技术以及不要对这些工具
and your technology and being too emotionally
未找到操作系统
太感情用事
invested in them.
这提醒我们这世界还存在其他人
It's a reminder that there are people out there,
电影的最后一幕他和艾米·亚当斯在一起时
you know, that final image of him with Amy Adams
充满了感情只有通过这次经历
is so emotional and it's only through this experience
即他俩在使用了这项技术之后
that they both went on involving this technology
才最终找到了彼此
that they found each other.
我们将要生活在一个
You know, we're going to live in a world
充斥着机器人和人工智能的世界
with robots and artificial intelligence.
你或许还会习惯它
You might as well get used to it,
你不应该怕它
you shouldn't be afraid of it
而且我们应该非常小心不让它变坏
and we should be very careful not to have it be bad.
但如果变坏也是我们的责任
But if it goes bad, it's us.
不是他们
It's not them.
人们总是问我
People always ask me,
"你认为机器会打败我们吗"
"So, do you think the machines will ever beat us?"
我说 "我认为这是一场比赛
I say, "I think it's a race.
阿诺德·施瓦辛格
演员
-这是一场 -太对了
- It's a race -- - Absolutely, a race.
这是一场自我完善
It's a race between us improving
自我改进的比赛是我们自己在
and making ourselves better, our own evolution,
精神上和心理上的进化
spiritual, psychological evolution.
同时我们也在让机器进化
At the same time, we've got these machines evolving.
因为如果我们没能提高
Because if we don't improve enough
不足以正确指导它们
to direct them properly,
那么这些利用人工智能机器人工具
our godlike power of using artificial intelligence
以及其它等等的神圣权力
and all these other robotic tools
终将反过来影响到我们
and so on will ultimately just blow back in our face
并令我们大吃一惊"
and take us out."
说的对
Yeah, you're right.
我是说我觉得使人类的行为发生变化
I mean, I think that -- it takes a lot of effort
需要很多努力
to create changes in human behavior.
但那是我们的责任
But that's with our responsibilities.
事实上我认为我们在进化
Yeah. I actually think we're evolving.
在和我们的机器共同进化
We're co-evolving with our machines.
-我们在变 -是的没错
- We're changing. - Yes, exactly.
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
2002年1月环球影业在找人
In January of 2002, Universal was looking for somebody
罗恩·摩尔
执行制片人
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
重拍《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
to reinvent "Battlestar Galactica."
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
于是我找到了1978年原版"卡拉狄加"的
So, I tracked down the pilot of the original "Galactica"
飞行员
that they did in 1978.
当时的剧情中有一些有趣的想法
There were some interesting ideas within it.
被称为人类生命形式的最终湮灭
The final annihilation of the lifeform known as man.
发动袭击吧
Let the attack begin.
但我一直没完全弄清楚
But never I quite were able to figure out
节目到底想表达什么
what the show really was.
但同时我对其于911事件的相似程度
But at the same time, I was very struck by
感到十分震惊
the parallels to 9/11.
那是911袭击发生后仅仅几个月
This is just a couple of months after the 9/11 attack.
我随即意识到在当时
And I realized immediately that if you did this series
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
要是做这个电视剧
at that moment in time,
它将为观众带来
it was going to have a very different emotional resonance
很不一样的情感共鸣
for the audience.
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》讲述的是
"Battlestar Galactica" is about
深空舰队中
the last remaining scraps of humanity
最后幸存人类的故事
out there in a fleet in deep space
此前机器人的袭击
after an attack from robots
简·埃斯佩森
作家联合执行制片人
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》
已经使人类元气大伤
has decimated humanity.
所以其故事线就是
So the idea was that
人类起初开始造机器人
the human beings essentially started creating robots
来完成他们不想再干的脏活
for all the dirty jobs they didn't want to do anymore.
随后出于对缔造者的敬畏
And then the machines themselves,
机器们自己
because they revere their creators,
让机器变得更像我们
make machines that are even more like us.
赛隆人有血有肉就像人类
Cylons that are flesh and blood just like humans.
赛隆人把自己看作人类的孩子
The Cylons saw themselves as the children of humanity
并认为除非自己的"父母"死去
and that they wouldn't be able to really grow and mature
他们才真正长大成人
until their parents were gone,
所以他们决定在这场末日之战中
so they decide they need to wipe out their human creators
彻底摧毁自己的人类缔造者
in this apocalyptic attack.
表面上看
I think on the surface,
《太空堡垒卡拉狄加》是在说
you could say "Battlestar Galactica"
"小心你发明的东西"
is about "Be careful of what you invent".
但我认为节目深层的含义
But I think the real driving force of the show
不在于此
is not about that.
我认为它是在说人类最大的弱点
I think it's about humanity's greatest weakness,
就是不愿承认他人的价值
the inability to see others as worthy as ourselves.
主要矛盾在于这两者之间
That's the central conflict that is of these two --
我们是人不你不是
we are people, no, you're not.
你并不真比我们强大
You are truly no greater than we are.
你终究只是一堆机器
You're just a bunch of machines after all.
游戏开始
Let the games begin.
"血肉之躯"是酷刑那一集
"Flesh and Bone" is the torture episode.
这是两个人的对手戏
It's very much of a two-person play.
问题是她会因为他不是真正的人类
It raises the question -- would she be less morally culpable
而在道义上少受到谴责吗
because he's not really human?
你不是人类
You're not human.
在这个场景中是人类在遭受折磨
Was a person being tortured in this scene
放声哭泣经历痛苦
and crying out and experiencing pain
还是说这一切都是精心设计的模拟试验
or was this all an elaborate simulation?
我们想解决这个问题
We wanted to deal with the issue
在这样的战时社会什么是道德和公平
of what's moral and just in a society at war like this,
但是同时我们也在剧中检验另一个
but at the same time, we were also examining a different idea
关于意识与人格的问题