詹姆斯·卡梅隆的科幻故事（2018）

James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction S01E02

Part 5 May 10, 2021, 12:05 p.m.

这很有意思
And you know, it's interesting.
你越接近某个物体的速度就感觉越快
The closer you get to something at speed, the faster it feels.
和家乡的拜加峡谷一样
It will be just like Beggar's Canyon back home.
这就是死星上那条壕沟
So that was really the idea behind the trench
背后的想法
for the Death Star.
让观众进入一个
Let's get people down into a space
以极快速度运动的空间
that's traveling at an extreme speed
让你感觉身临其境
and give you the excitement that you get
无比兴奋
when you do it for real.
《星球大战》里好镜头太多了
I mean, there's so many great shots in "Star Wars,"
但其中有一个让我感觉有点心痛
but I think if there's one that makes my heart ache a bit,
加雷斯·爱德华
导演
《星球大战外传侠盗一号♥》
就是卢克看到双日落的那一段
it's Luke seeing the two suns set.
它有一种类似于《彩虹之上》那首歌♥的
It just has this very "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"
渴望之情
kind of wistful vibe to it.
我当时十几岁住在德克萨斯
That was a shot that I can relate to
对那个镜头很有共鸣
as a teenager in Texas.
我想每个孩子都感同身受
That is a shot that I think any kid can relate to.
思考"接下来会怎么样我该怎么做"
This idea of "What is next for me and how do I go?"
这种渴望之情使这个太空故事
There's this yearning that makes this space story
与我们的经历产生了共鸣
feel like something that's happening to us.
我拍摄《星球大战》的原因之一
One of the reasons why I made "Star Wars"
是拍给十二岁的孩子看
was it's made for 12-year-olds.
人人都被它吸引但还是拍给十二岁孩子的
It appeals to everybody, but it was still made for 12-year-olds.
-我们都经历过十二岁 -我对别人说
- We were all 12 once. - And I tell people,
"不要小看十二岁的孩子
"Don't underestimate 12-year-olds.
-他们比其他人都聪明" -没错
- They're smarter than the rest of us." - Right.
他们学东西比你们快多了
They get stuff much faster than you do.
中心思想就是让他们...
And the whole point was to get them to allow to think --
让他们跳出固有的思维模式
to allow them to think outside the box.
这部电影充满了主观性与梦幻色彩
The whole thing is subjective and dream-like.
谁说伍基人不能开飞船
Yeah, who said Wookiees can't fly?
我说他们可以
Well, I said they can fly.
我说 "我不会墨守成规"
I said, "I'm not gonna obey the rules."
心有多大舞台就有多大
If you can imagine it, you can do it,
但如果目光短浅就无法成功
but if you can't imagine it, you can't do it.
-因为 -又会被自己的思想所禁锢
- Because -- - It's the prison of your own mind, again.
正是思想的禁锢
It's that prison of your own mind
使你能够做到你可以尽情享受
that allows you to do it, and you can enjoy that
发挥天马行空的想象
and come up with really crazy stuff.
看看丘巴卡就知道了
Yeah, just look at Chewbacca.
我向你保证太空里没有伍基人
Well, I can guarantee you there's no Wookiees in space.
你怎么知道呢
How do you know?
你凭一己之力在1977年
You single-handedly revolutionized science fiction
用《星球大战》颠覆了流行文化中的科幻
in pop culture with "Star Wars," 1977.
乔治·卢卡斯
导演制♥作♥人
因为当时悲观的主题持续了三十年
'Cause it had been three decades of downer stuff --
反乌托邦主题末日启示主题
dystopian stuff, apocalyptic stuff,
科幻作品的利润
and science fiction was making less and less
逐年下降突然之间
and less money every year and then, all of a sudden,
你开辟了一个全新的视角
you came along with another vision.
充满了奇幻希望和力量
One of wonder and hope and empowerment,
一炮成名
and boom!
《星球大战》是一部太空剧
"Star Wars" Is a space opera.
不是科幻片
It's not science fiction.
因为它其实是
And because it's really just, you know,
一部肥皂剧只是以太空为背景
one of those soap operas, only in space.
但它又不止于此
Yeah, but it's more than that.
而且你自己也知道
And you know -- and you know it is.
它是新的神话
It's -- It's a neo-myth.
-但它 -它承担了
- But it's -- yeah, yes. - It fulfills the role
神话在社会中的角色
that myth played in society.
没错它是神话
Yeah, it is. It's mythology.
但你把它提升到了新的高度
But you took it to a new level.
没有电影采用过"二手未来"[沧桑未来]概念
No film that I can think of had the used future idea.
未来总是闪亮的完美的
The future was always shiny, it was always perfect,
总是像圣诞节早上新拆开的礼物
it always had just been unwrapped on Christmas morning
因为它总是乐观主义的理想化产物
'cause it was kind of this optimistic ideal.
但你说 "不未来肯定已经被人经历过
And you said, "No, the future has to have been lived in
几千年了"
for thousands of years,"
所以沙漠履带车锈迹斑斑
so the Sandcrawlers are all rusted
到处都破败不堪
and things are kind of broken
看起来一切都是旧的
and it looked like it had been lived in.
你是怎么想到这种概念的
So where did that idea come from?
因为在此之前没有先例
'Cause there was no precursor to that.
我觉得它必须看起来像真实的地方
I just felt that it's gotta look like it's a real place.
科幻太空旅行从六十年代
The transition from the science-fiction space travel
《2001太空漫游》
1968年
到七十年代的转变
of the '60s to the '70s
可能反映着当时更广泛的文化转变
it probably reflects a wider shift in culture at that time,
七十年代普遍的愤世嫉俗论
the sort of general cynicism of the '70s
马特·辛格
总编电影评论家
打破银幕[美国电影评论网站]
感染着对未来的愿景
has kind of infected this vision of the future
好像说 "好吧即使我们进入了外太空
and it's like, "Okay, if we get into outer space,
那些超级大公♥司♥可能
probably giant corporations
仍然会操控一切事物
are still gonna be running everything."
这就是你去看《异形》这类电影时的情形
And that's when you get to movies like "Alien."
《异形》
1979年
你在那里拥有一艘宇宙飞船
Where you have a spacecraft
罗恩·米勒
插图画家
《沙丘》
看起来破旧不堪
that looks like it's been through the mill.
零件在漏水蒸汽从破烂管子里喷出来
Things are leaking, steam's running out of broken pipes,
环境很脏
it's grimy,
整个地方就是一团乱
and the place is a mess.
听着我们把这件事情弄清楚之前
Look, I'm not gonna do any more work
我是不会继续干活的
till we get this straightened out.
格兰特法律将保障你得到一笔股票
Grant, you're guaranteed by law to get a share.
我认为很多这类电影中
And it's, I think, no accident
西格妮·韦弗
演员
《异形》系列
出现这样的情况并非偶然
that, in a lot of these films,
即宇宙中真正的怪物
it's the military-industrial complex
正是军事工业复合体
that are the real monster in space.
这对我们其他的所有采矿作业
This could cause trouble for us
《九宵云外》
1981年
会造成很大的麻烦
on all the other mining operations.
这会让我的手下都失业的
That could put my people out of business.
别担心他已经是个死人了
Don't worry. He's a dead man.
自从人类踏上他们之前从未涉足的
From the moment that humans set off to lands
亚当·卢瑟福
科学专栏作家
BBC第四频道
土地的那一刻起紧随其后发生的就是
that they'd never been to before, immediately what follows
你可以看见人类社会中所有的
that is you see all of the normal human problems
寻常问题都被转移到了其他世界中
that we have in societies transposed to other worlds.
也就是说你将会有劳工问题
Which means you're going to have labor problems.
工人们将面临危险的工作环境
You're going to have hazardous environments for workers.
你将会遭遇所有能够反映出
You're going to have all kinds of things
关于外太空探索的
that reflect what might be
真实情况的问题
the reality of outer-space exploration.
某个时间点公♥司♥会不得不被牵涉进来
At some point, corporations are going to have to get involved.
其他时候也许政♥府♥也不得不接手
At some point, maybe the government will have to take over,
《星河舰队》
1997年
并且导致一个军事化社会的形成
and lead to something like a militarized society
就像《星河舰队》
like "Starship Troopers."
我们现在将信♥号♥♥切为到克伦达苏直播
We break net now and take you live to Klendathu
侵略
那里的侵略已经开始了
where the invasion has begun.
这是一个丑陋的星球害虫遍布
It's an ugly planet, a bug planet.
有一天保罗·范霍文和我在聊天
When Paul Verhoeven and I were talking one day,
爱德华·诺伊迈尔
编剧