詹姆斯·卡梅隆的科幻故事（2018）

James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction S01E06

Part 3 May 10, 2021, 12:06 p.m.

She's been told that she can change the future.
但那是否只是个幻想
But is that just an illusion?
我们是不是在一部已经拍好的电影里
Are we basically in a movie that's already been shot?
胶片早就在某个地方卷好了
It's already rolled up in the can someplace?
有可能
That could be!
你可以随意快进或倒♥退♥
You can play it forward and backward as much as you want,
但结局永不改变
but the ending never changes?
我认为我们可以控制自己的未来
I think that we have control over ourselves
有能力去改变它
and I think that we have the power to create changes.
你儿子托我给你带个信
Your son gave me a message to give to you.
"未来犹未可知
"The future is not set.
你必须活着否则我不会存在"
You must survive or I will never exist."
未来犹未可知
The future is not set.
是这样的台词
You know, I mean that's -- that's kind of the line --
未来犹未可知
the future's not set.
可以被改变
And it can be altered.
要我跟你说说你父亲吗
Should I tell you about your father?
如果你不让凯尔来找我的话就没有你了
If you don't send Kyle, you can never be.
电影想要传达的是你可以改变过去
The point that the film makes is that you can change history.
你可以逃离终结者
You can escape the Terminator.
但是时间旅行的重点不是过去
But time travel is not about history
也不是时间旅行本身
and it's not about time travel,
而是为生命中的
it's about accepting responsibility
各种可能性承担责任
for all the possibilities in your own life.
在科幻作品中
The idea of taking the wrong turn
加里·K·沃尔夫
作家
《伟大的科幻小说作品是怎样炼成的》
做了错事之后来弥补
and making a correction later on,
直面过去对抗未来
《环形使者》
并不是一个新的创意
it's not a new idea in science fiction.
甚至在电影中也已经出现过了
It's not even a new idea in the movies.
《环形使者》
《环形使者》说的是你试着
"Looper" Is one where you're essentially trying
不去改变周遭的世界
to not change the world,
而是改变自己的世界改变自己的生活
but change your world, change your life.
《环形使者》中时间旅行者是个职业杀手
In "Looper," The time traveler is a hit man.
詹姆斯·格雷克
作家
《时间旅行简史》
你不知道吗
Wouldn't you know?
他是由约瑟夫·戈登-莱维特
He's a hit man played both
和布鲁斯·威利斯共同饰演的职业杀手
by Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bruce Willis.
当你决定成为一名环形使者的时候
When you agree to be a Looper,
约瑟夫·戈登-莱维特
演员
《环形使者》
就注定不是一份长♥期♥的工作
it's not a long-term job.
没有什么未来可言
There's not much of a future in it.
有一天你知道未来的自己
One day, you know that your future self
会出现在你面前
is going to show up in front of you...
而你不得不杀死他
and you're going to have to shoot it.
他的最后一个目标
That's gonna be his final hit.
就是杀死自己
To kill himself.
而他所有的环形使者
And he, and all of the other loopers,
安娜李·纽威茨
高级科技文化编辑
科技之美
都达成了这个交易
enter into this bargain.
你不得不去做
And you have to do it.
如果你不做的话会有很大的麻烦
If you don't do it it's a really big problem.
更老的自己布鲁斯·威利斯演的角色
The older one, the Bruce Willis character,
知道整个来龙去脉
knows the whole story.
而年轻的自己才刚开始意识到
But the younger one is learning for the first time what's --
发生了什么
what's going on.
他自然有很多问题
And he naturally has a few questions.
你知道会发生什么
So do you know what's gonna happen?
我不想谈时间旅行
I don't wanna talk about time travel
因为一旦我们开始谈论它
because if we start talking about it
那我们一整天
then we're gonna be here all day
都得耗在这里画图表
talking about it, making diagrams with straws.
布鲁斯·威利斯
演员
《环形使者》
谈及时间旅行
Talking about time travel.
会让你疯狂
It makes you go crazy.
和年轻的自己
And the option of going through a conversation like that
进行那样一段对话更让人发疯
with you at a younger age would make you even crazier.
让开
Move, damnit.
故事利用时空旅行来
Time travel is a device that
探索人性探索人类对待彼此的方式
story is using to tell a story about human nature
以及在此之下的原因
and how humans treat each other and why.
让开
Move.
接着我看见了
Then I saw it.
假如说《环形使者》讲述的是
If "Looper" Is a story about how violence
暴♥力♥滋生更多暴♥力♥ 对我而言
perpetuates more violence, to me, the lesson is
它告诉我暴♥力♥只能制♥造♥更多更糟的问题
that you just create more problems and worse problems.
我看见了而这条路是一个循环
I saw it... and the path was a circle.
这是改变自身命运的故事
It's kind of about changing your own destiny.
也是讲述自身的命运是如何
And it's kind of about how your destiny
由其它更强势的人所决定的故事
is always being shaped by people more powerful than yourself.
你怎么才能真正挣脱一个黑暗的循环呢
And how do you really get out of a dark cycle?
影片指出了另一条终止循环的方式
The movie is pointing out another way to end that cycle.
所以我改变了它
So I changed it.
源于萨特的哲学概念
指人对自身的人生与选择的一种困境
这是个实存困境
It is an existential dilemma.
很多时空穿越都在探讨这个哲学问题
A lot of time travel is very philosophical in that way.
乔最终通过自杀掌控了自己的人生
Joe finally takes control of his life by ending it.
我们为什么迷恋时空旅行
Why are we fascinated by time travel?
人们总是问我
Well, you know people very often ask me
克里斯托弗·诺兰
导演制片人
为什么我对时间感兴趣我说
why am I interested in time, I say,
"因为我一直活在时间里"
"Well, because I've always lived in it."
我这样我们都这样
It's -- I'm -- we are.
我们仿佛被困在时间中
We feel very trapped in it.
我们似乎是想要抓住每分每秒
It's like, we try to hang on to the moment.
我们什么玩意都拍下来对不对
We take photographs of everything, right?
我们绝望地想要抓住当下的现实
We desperately want to hang on to
但它总会流逝
this reality and it recedes.
时空旅行让我们有机会设问
What time travel allows us to do is to say,
"要是我们能抓住呢
"Okay, but what if we could?
要是我们能扭转那一刻呢
What if we could preserve that moment.
要是我们可以回到那一刻呢"
What if we could revisit that moment, genuinely?"
这就是所有科幻作品的核心设问
Well, that's all science fiction is about -- What if?
要是我们可以进行太空航行呢
What if we could travel through space,
要是我们可以进行时空旅行呢
what if we could travel through time?
《星际穿越》
《星际穿越》之所以具有如此的冲击力
What makes "Interstellar" so compelling
就在于影片创作者用这些桥段
is that the filmmakers devised these turns of plot
创造了一个真正经典的饱含感情的
to create a real classic family story
约翰·利思戈
演员
《星际穿越》
家庭故事
with the deepest possible emotions.
本质上《星际穿越》是在讲述
Fundamentally, "Interstellar" is about
人类为时空旅行付出的代价
the human cost of time travel.
这是个非常专注于个人的故事
It's a deeply and intensely personal drama,
故事讲述了一名父亲
and the story of what happens
丽莎·亚斯泽克
科幻研究教授
佐治亚理工学院
与他的孩子分别后发生的故事
when a father is separated from his child.
是"留下"
It says stay!
不我会回来的
No, I'm coming back.
什么时候
When?
他会离去拯救人类
Will he go and save humanity
还是留下和女儿呆在一起
or will he stay with his daughter instead?
等到我回来的时候
I mean, by the time I get back, we --
说不定我们会一样大
we might even be the same age.
墨菲
Ah, Murph.
你都不知道你什么时候能回来
You have no idea when you're coming back?
《星际穿越》讲述了不久以后
"Interstellar" projects us into a near future