詹姆斯·卡梅隆的科幻故事（2018）

James Cameron's Story of Science Fiction S01E03

Part 7 May 10, 2021, 12:06 p.m.

and there were a lot of issues that were taboo.
日本人不能相互谈论
Japanese people could not speak amongst themselves
威廉·茨茨伊
教授作家
《我印象中的哥斯拉
怪兽之王的五十年史》
或是在媒体上讨论广岛和长崎
or in the media about Hiroshima and Nagasaki,
二战的战败
about the defeat, and about the fact that Japan,
还有日本在战后
even after the war,
依旧被美国控制的现实
remained subservient to the United States.
在日本你不能拍这种题材的电影
In Japan, you know, you can't make a movie about that stuff,
但是如果你想拍关于一个巨型怪兽
but what if you make a movie about a giant monster who --
加雷斯·爱德华
导演
《哥斯拉》2014
正因美国人发明的原♥子♥弹♥
Americans invent this bomb...
而唤醒了怪兽
...it wakes up the monster,
我们的一个城市被毁灭
and one of our cities gets destroyed
并且留下来辐射然后他们说
and leaves radiation everywhere, and they were like,
"好啊没问题你们可以拍这种电影"
"Oh, yeah. That's fine. You can make that movie."
"好很酷它的名字是《哥斯拉》"
It was like, "Okay. Cool. It's called 'Godzilla.'"
在日本它的名字是"哥吉拉"
In Japan, the name is "Gojira."
这个名字是两个词的组合
It is a combination of two words --
"哥里拉"的意思是"大猩猩"
"Gorira," which means "Gorilla,"
"库吉拉"的意思是"鲸鱼"
and "Kujira," Which means "Whale."
所以字面意思就是"大猩猩鲸鱼"
So it literally means "Gorilla whale."
传说这个名字是东宝的
The legend is this was a nickname
东宝株式会社日本大型电影公♥司♥之一
一位体型超重的员工的昵称
of an overweight Toho Studios employee.
制片人听到了这个昵称后
The producer heard that nickname
很喜欢就把它给了这个怪兽
and loved it so much, he gave it to the monster.
第一部电影非常硬核
The first film is hard-core,
是很有深意的科幻故事
very meaningful science fiction,
然后他们一定就开始想
and then, you know, they obviously think,
"我们下一部怎么拍" 于是
"What can we do next?" And,
"让我们拍哥斯拉与另一个怪兽打斗吧"
"Well, let's have Godzilla fight another creature."
《全体怪兽大进击》
情节就变得有些愚蠢
It became a bit silly.
这样哥斯拉从一个
And so Godzilla was transformed
强大的复仇者
from being this vengeful force
《机械哥斯拉的逆袭》
变得越来越像日本的守护者
to being more of a protector and defender for Japan.
《哥斯拉》
在我们的电影里我们想带回一点
In our film, we wanted to bring back a little bit of
现代社会背景下的庸俗感
the kitschy-ness in a modern concept.
因为哥斯拉在日本如此受欢迎
Because Godzilla is such a beloved character from Japan,
哥斯拉的创造者们有一本"圣经"
the creators of "Godzilla" had a bible.
非常厚里面全是"该"和"不该"
It was this thick, and in it was all the "Do"s and "Don't"s --
哥斯拉可以做什么不可以做什么
what it can do, what it can't do.
而我们直接把这些抛之脑后
And we, like, threw it away.
我请了《独♥立♥日》的美术指导之一
I hired one of the production designers of "Independence Day,"
罗兰·艾默里奇
导演编剧
《哥斯拉》1998
帕特里克·塔特普洛斯
Patrick Tatopoulos,
来设计一个新的哥斯拉
to kind of give me a new Godzilla,
我说如果我不能有一个全新的哥斯拉
and I said, "If I cannot make that Godzilla,
我就不拍这部电影了
I'm not making the movie at all."
帕特里克·塔特普洛斯
哥斯拉设计师指导
《哥斯拉》1998
我们为《哥斯拉》拍的第一个镜头
The first shot that we had about "Godzilla"
是一个街景角度向上
was a shot from the street, looking up.
然后我们问的第一个问题是
And the first question we asked is,
"性器官怎么办
"What's happening with the genitals?
要拍出来吗"
Should we see them?"
非常好玩虽然是一个笑话
And it's funny because, a joke as it is,
艾默里奇说 "你知道
Emmerich says, "You know,
我觉得她应该是雌性
I think she should be a female.
她应该有孩子"
She should have kids."
在很多方面我们试图重新定义哥斯拉
In many regards, we were trying to reinvent Godzilla.
我想在日本很多人在想
I think that the people in Japan felt,
"不要改变哥斯拉
"Don't reinvent our Godzilla.
我们喜欢它原来的样子"
We like our Godzilla just the way he is."
《哥斯拉》
我想当你试图拍
I think, when you're trying to make
一部科幻怪兽电影
a science-fiction monster movie,
你总是在寻找电影的深意
you're always looking for what's it really about?
拍摄《哥斯拉》的时候
When we made our "Godzilla,"
我们想让它再次成为一部严肃电影
we definitely wanted it to be serious again.
归根结底这是一部巨大怪兽电影
You know, at the end of the day, it's a giant monster movie,
两个巨型怪兽激烈搏斗
two massive creatures smacking the crap out of each other.
但是如果没有内核
But all that stuff is pointless if it hasn't got something
这些都是无意义的
at the heart of it that it represents,
我觉得有一种我们不愿意谈及的
and so I feel like there's a sort of Western guilt
西方的罪恶感
that we don't really acknowledge or talk about.
我们用原♥子♥弹♥轰炸了一个国家
We nuclear-bombed a country,
而哥斯拉在我们的电影中
and I think Godzilla, in our film,
就代表了这种缠绕我们的罪恶感
was representing that coming back to haunt us, in a way.
科幻电影可以起到宣泄的作用
Science-fiction movies could be very cathartic.
事实是在所有这些电影中
The reality is, in all these movies,
人类总能打败怪兽
humankind ends up defeating the monster,
拯救世界
the world is saved,
我们总在必要的时刻团结一致
and we come together when we most need to.
创作一个原创故事是很难的
It's hard to come up with an original story.
史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格
导演制片
会有很多作家
I mean, there's a lot of writers out there
都同意这个观点
nodding their heads.
我觉得我们都会受到以前故事的影响
I think we're all influenced by the stories
甚至是几千年前的故事
that came before us going back thousands of years,
比如神话传说童话故事
by myths, legends, fairy tales.
我认为糟糕的电影只借鉴前作
I think the worst films just refer to other movies.
优秀的电影则会连接到
The best films somehow connect you to something
真实的经历
that you've actually experienced.
《怪奇物语》这一点做得很棒
Well, "Stranger Things" has done that very well.
它涉及到我们过去的很多作品
It touches on a lot of the movies that you and I
而且既巧妙又精彩
and others have made, but it does it brilliantly.
它结合了各种体裁
It's a amalgam of genres...
但又将它们结合在一个大主题下
...but all having to do with one thing,
那就是你爱这些孩子
and that is you love those kids...
你不想让他们受到任何伤害
... and you do not want anything bad to happen to them.
-是的 -《怪奇物语》
- Right. Right. - And "Stranger Things,"
在其异常精彩的想象中
for all of its brilliant imaginings...
重点总是关于孩子们
...are about those characters.
我确定威尔还活着
All I know is Will is alive.
《怪奇物语》
威尔活着
Will is alive.
他就在那儿
He's out there somewhere.
我们只需要找到他就好了
All we have to do is find him.
我们在成长过程中
We had a pretty steady, healthy diet
看了恰到好处的科幻作品和恐怖电影
of science fiction and horror movies growing up.
他们对《怪奇物语》影响很大
They very much influenced "Stranger Things."
马特·达菲和罗斯·达菲
创作者
《怪奇物语》
我们喜爱的很多电影和书籍
A lot of our favorite stories and movies and books
都是围绕着儿童来展开
growing up all revolved around children
讲述他们是如何对付恐惧的
dealing with a terror of some kind.
斯皮尔伯格很喜欢
Yeah. I mean, like, Spielberg has a history
将儿童放在可能造成心理创伤的情境下
of putting children in traumatizing situations.
史蒂芬·金也是如此
So does Stephen King.
他们借助我们十分熟悉的角色
They would take very relatable characters,
《伴我同行》
比如家人或孩子
like families and kids,
《外星人》
感觉就像我们的家人
who, it felt like our family,
《第三类接触》
我们的朋友甚至像我们自己
it felt like our friends, it felt like us,
然后让这些角色置身于不可思议的情况中
and then put them into these extraordinary situations.
《怪奇物语》
《怪奇物语》讲述了一个失踪男孩的故事
"Stranger things" -- it's about a kid who goes missing.
他消失在了空气中
He vanishes into, like, thin air.
加勒·麦克劳克林
演员
《怪奇物语》