斯科塞斯先生（2025）

抵♥制♥美国音乐公♥司♥!
Boycott MCA!
纽约市 1988年8月
它迅速演变成了
It has mushroomed
电影史上为数不多的一场硬仗
into one of the hardest-fought battles in movie history.
这部电影将上帝描绘得过于有血有肉
The film portrays Jesus as too much flesh and blood
这让许多反抗教会的人难以接受
for many church critics.
你将以什么姿态接受上帝的审判?
What are you going to stand before God with?
你要支持这部电影吗?
Are you gonna stand with the movie?
你觉得这部电影如何?
What do you think about the movie?
我还没看过呢 我不知道
I haven't seen it yet. I don't know.
抵♥制♥!抵♥制♥!抵♥制♥!
Boycott! Boycott! Boycott!
我1971年读过《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》
I read The Last Temptation of Christ in 1971.
对我而言 这从来不只是一部普通的电影
For me, it's never been just another film.
而是我拍过最重要的电影
It was the most important film I've ever had to make.
由于自身的宗教背景 我想成为神父
Because of my religious background, the fact I wanted to be a priest,
教堂从未离开过我的生活 而我也从未摆脱过教堂
the fact the church has never left me and I have never left it.
他的脑海中一直有这样一个目标
He had that in his system, in his mind,
要将其拍成电影
that one day he was going to make the picture.
我很害怕 所以我并不想让他拍
I personally didn't want him to make it, because I was afraid.
引起众怒的是电影里耶稣
What has caused a furor is a dream sequence in the film
与抹大拉的马利亚的性♥爱♥梦境连续镜头
in which Christ makes love to Mary Magdalene.
在电影拍摄史上 这是最严重的
It is the most serious misuse of film craft
一次电影摄制艺术滥用事故
in the history of movie-making.
这部电影丝毫不尊重
The film is incredibly insensitive toward people who believe
那些相信耶稣就是救世主的人
that Jesus is Lord and Savior.
这就是一次探索 我们可以更了解他
It's just an exploration. Exploration so we can get to know him better.
更了解他这个人 更了解他的想法
Get to know him better, get to know his ideas better.
甚至可以开始践行他的想法
We might begin to live out his ideas.
所以你是让 天主教教♥徒♥不要看这部电影吗?
So you're telling Catholics not to see it?
不仅如此 我还跟他们说
I-- Not only that, sweetheart. I am telling Catholics out there...
他们如果去看了这部电影
that if they go to see this movie,
那就是犯了背叛上帝的罪孽
they will have committed a sin against the Holy Spirit.
4. 完全电影
抵♥制♥!抵♥制♥!抵♥制♥!
Boycott! Boycott! Boycott!
正值
It was during the rise
宗教右翼的政♥治♥势力在这个国家崛起
of the political power of the religious right in this country.
我们想对好莱坞说:“不要再这样做了”
We want to say to Hollywood, "Don't ever do this again."
好莱坞想煽动观众的情绪
Hollywood is attempting to titillate.
把和上帝有关的一切事物 从我们身边夺走
They're trying to take everything that relates to God away from us.
甚至谴责犹太人
On top of that, the Jews got blamed.
基♥督♥教♥徒♥被好莱坞高管 打得鲜血淋漓的景象
A Christ figure bloodied by a Hollywood executive
成为了美国音乐公♥司♥总裁 刘·沃瑟曼《耶稣受难剧》的核心
was the centerpiece of a Passion Play in the home of MCA Chairman Lew Wasserman.
刘·沃瑟曼看向窗外
Lew Wasserman looked out the window
有一个打扮得像耶稣的人被按在地上
and there was a man dressed as Jesus being forced on the ground,
一位犹太商人踩在他身上 拿鞭子抽他
and a Jewish businessman with his foot on him, whipping him.
就像在说:“你们犹太人干了这件事”
With signs saying, you know, "You Jews have done this."
抵♥制♥犹太人注资!抵♥制♥犹太人注资!
Bankrolled by Jewish money!
斯科塞斯导演是犹太人吗?
The director, Mr. Scorsese, is he Jewish?
他不是 但他的老板是两个犹太人
No, he's not, but he was hired by these two Jewish men.
我们预料到会有一些反对意见
We expected some opposition.
但其丑恶本质
The nature of the opposition, the ugly quality of it,
令我震惊和悲伤 真的
is surprising and shocking, and saddening, really. I find it saddening.
你认为人们为什么如此愤怒?
Why do you think people were so upset?
他们没看过这部电影
Well, they didn't see it.
他们看过的是施拉德早期写的剧本
They'd seen an early version of Schrader's script
所以觉得这部电影讲述的是 耶稣和马利亚的亲密行为
and they thought it was a movie about Jesus and Mary making out.
诸如此类 他们故意误解了
Or something. You know. They willfully misunderstood it.
彭兰德先生 你看过这部电影吗?
Mr. Penland, have you seen the film?
我不想看它 也不想吸毒品
I do not want to see the film. I do not want to snort cocaine, either.
那要不等电影剪辑好 准备发布的时候再看?
What about waiting until it's cut and ready to be seen?
你无法阻止它上映
Then you can't stop it from being released.
他们还没看过这部电影
They haven't seen the movie.
汤姆·波洛克 环球影业公♥司♥总裁
胆大的环球影业制片总监
The very gutsy Head of Production at Universal
觉得将争议最小化的最佳办法 就是发布这部影片
thought the best way to minimize the controversy was to get the movie out.
但我们得夜以继日地完成这个项目
But we had to work day and night to finish the film.
毋庸置疑的是 我本来可能要剪辑更多
I probably would have edited the film more, there's no doubt.
他们说:“我们必须发布这部电影 尽力完成吧”
But they said, "We have to release the film, just finish it as best you can."
我们之后就铆劲干 在八月上映了这部电影
That's what we did. We released it in August.
在雅典被禁止在电影院上映
当然 之后这部电影遭受了不公平待遇
And then, of course, the movie never got a fair shot.
在印度被禁播
还发生了一些暴♥力♥事件
There was some real violence.
有个人在巴黎的电影院里引爆了一颗炸♥弹♥
Somebody set off a bomb in the theater in Paris.
导致有人死了
And somebody died.
在这个国家 有很多大城市没有上映这部电影
It never played in many of the major cities in this country.
百视达拒绝放这部电影
Blockbuster Video refused to carry it.
他们会放电锯杀人魔题材的电影 但就是不放这部电影
They carry chainsaw movies. But they wouldn't carry this.
这是马蒂第二次得到联邦调查局的保护
Marty was getting FBI protection for the second time.
他会收到恐吓信件 大家会检查他的信件里有没有炸♥弹♥
Threats in the mail, and people were examining his mail for bombs.
天呐 太糟糕了
Oh, my... It was awful.
有一天晚上 我去一家餐馆
I went to a restaurant one night,
坐在桌子上 领班探过身对一位服务员说
sat at a table and I heard the maƮtre d' lean over to one of the waiters.
“我发现今天晚上 那个反基♥督♥教的人就在我们身边”
He says, "I see we have the Antichrist with us tonight."
对
Yeah.
我当时确实以基♥督♥的本质为话题 和他们展开聊天
I did start a dialogue on the nature of Christ,
但这场谈话并不严肃 反而有些哗众取宠
but it became something that was sensational, rather than serious.
后来我意识到 再争论下去也没有意义
Then I realized, there's no sense in arguing anymore.
只是... 尽我所能诚实地回答问题
Just try to answer the questions as best you can, as honestly as you can,
然后就...
and simply...
忘记它 换个话题
forget it. And move on.
可惜的是 这场对话... 好吧 算了
Unfortunately, the dialogue... Yeah, okay.
在拍摄《金钱本色》时
When I did Color of Money,
我记得自己读过尼克·派勒吉 写的《黑帮》书评
I remember reading a review of Wiseguy by Nick Pileggi.
这本书出版的时候很畅销
The book came out, and it did very well.
《纽约》将其放在杂♥志♥封面上
New York magazine put it on the cover.
我收到一条短♥信♥ 上面写着 “打电♥话♥给马丁·斯科塞斯”
I got a message, said, "Call Martin Scorsese." And he said,
他说:“你对这个项目有兴趣吗? 我想和你一起创作”
"Would you be interested in doing this? I wanna write it with you."
我喜欢那本书 书中的主角不是犯罪家族首领
I liked that book. It's about a guy who's not a boss.
也不是黑帮的正式成员
He's not made.
但他接触过各个层级的黑帮生活方式
But yet he had access to almost every level of that way of life.
尼克非常了解这一点
Nick understood it. He just knows it.
我们两个都是在那种环境中长大的
Both of us grew up in those neighborhoods.
我们从未受困于那种生活
We never wound up in that life,
但我去上学的时候 碰到了很多我之后用于创作的人
but I went to school with a lot of the guys I wound up writing about.
他们射中我了!救命!
They shot me! Help! Help!
《好家伙》1990年
亨利 关上门! - 卡!
Henry, shut the door! Shut the door! - Cut!
好了 还得再快些 尽快把它脱掉
Okay, that's gotta be done much faster. Take it off as fast as you can.
我只写纪实部分 从有真实经历的
I only write nonfiction, and I only get it from the people
那些人身上取材
who were really there.
这就是马蒂想要的 他总是问:“真的发生过什么?”
And that's what Marty wanted. He always says, "What really happened?"
他一直想知道的就是这个
That's what he keeps wanting to know. What really happened.
尼克非常了解黑帮
I mean, Nick being the expert on the Mafia,
马蒂以前也一直生活在黑帮环境中
and Marty having lived in it,
所以他们两个人共同创作的 剧本非常精彩
so the two of them together, that script is unbelievable.
剧本里的每一帧都可以拍进电影里
I mean, every frame of that script is in the movie.
我从记事起就一直想成为黑帮成员
As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster.
我看得很清楚
I just saw it very clearly.
我们把它写在了剧本里 我知道镜头要往哪里走
We had it on the page. I knew where the camera was gonna go.
我当时没有意识到 但他已经看过那部电影了
I didn't realize at the time, but he had already seen the movie.
你看到的电影以及听到的这些音乐
The movie you saw, with all the music,
他之前就已经在脑子里构思好了
he had already made it up in that mind of his.
我知道剪辑点 定帧镜头 等等
I knew the edits. I had the freeze frames. It's all there.
那时候我就知道自己 不会活着从佛罗里达州回来了
That's when I knew I would never have come back from Florida alive.
镜头从亨利移开 重新开始移♥动♥
在片场几乎不用再添加什么东西
On set, it was almost an afterthought,
因为我和尼克 把所有细节都写进剧本里了
'cause I did it all on the page with Nick.
摄影移♥动♥车出来
似乎你旁白配得很自♥由♥
The way you use voiceover is so freeing, it seems.
是的 就像一个人在街角讲故事
Yes. Really, it's a guy on a street corner telling a story.
这就是这部电影的本质
That's what the movie is.
我每天都在学习赚钱 这里赚一点 那里赚一点
Every day I was learning to score. A dollar here, a dollar there.
生活在幻想中
I was living in a fantasy.