斯科塞斯先生（2025）

马蒂当时对于结婚并没有很大兴趣
Marty was not really interested so much in being married.
他很想拍电影
He really wanted to make films,
但他也想照顾好自己的生活
but he wanted to take care of that aspect of his life.
于是他结婚了 有了妻子
Like, "I'm married, I have a wife."
或许也是为了帮助他抵挡诱惑
Also maybe to help him with temptations.
我发现自己享受孤独
I found that I enjoyed being alone,
却又害怕孤独
but I was so afraid of being alone.
而且我常常会... 我的几段感情往往处理得
And I would have... Relationships very often, were almost like
像亲情 兄妹情一样
familial, brother and sister kind of thing,
有人一起生活
to have companions to be with.
你觉得他和女性的关系复杂吗?
Do you feel that he has a complex relationship with women?
他和很多女性合作
He works with a tremendous number of women.
我知道马蒂和芭芭拉·德菲娜的感情
And I know that the relationship with Barbara De Fina
对他的事业非常重要
was very important for Marty's career.
很好 卡 - 卡!
Good. That was good. Cut. - Cut!
事实上 是德菲娜 建议他拍《下班后》的
In fact, it was De Fina who suggested he make After Hours.
她说:“你必须重建自己的声誉”
And she said, "You have to just reestablish your reputation,"
他做到了
and he did.
斯科塞斯重回电影主流
我记得刚拍完《下班后》
I remember I had just finished After Hours,
就在洛杉矶碰到了迈克尔·奥维茨
and Mike Ovitz met me in Los Angeles.
奥维茨是好莱坞的大人物
Ovitz was a big figure in Hollywood,
他说:“你这些年拍的电影都很有趣...”
and he said, "Your films over the years have been pretty interesting, etc., etc."
我说:“嗯 我在人生的某个阶段 碰到了一些问题”
And I said, "Well, you know, I had some problems in a certain period of my life."
他说:“现在那些问题还存在吗?” 我说:“消失了”
He goes, "Do you have them now?" I said, "No."
他说:“很好 那你最想拍什么电影?”
He said, "Okay. What movie do you want to make most of all?"
我说:“《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》” 他说:“好 我帮你拍”
I said, "Last Temptation of Christ." "All right, I'll get it made for you."
与此同时 他让我和纽曼见面
In the meantime, he put me together with Newman.
胖子 我预感自己从现在开始转运了
I got a hunch, fat man. I got a hunch it's me from here on in.
然后我拍了《江湖浪子》的续集
And put together a sequel to The Hustler...
《金钱本色》1986年
和保罗·纽曼和汤姆·克鲁斯一起
...with Paul Newman and Tom Cruise.
该死! - 都是你的
Damn! - All yours.
我试图证明自己还能拍电影
I was trying to prove that I can make a film again,
可以得到投资人
that I could be trusted with a budget,
优秀电影人的信任
and with people on that level.
是吗? - 对
Oh, yeah? - Yeah.
有个大问题是台球场景
The big problem were the pool scenes.
我设计了这些非常复杂的动作
And I designed these very complex moves.
但其实那是我们拍摄时最容易做的事
It turns out when we shot it, they were the easiest things to do
保罗和汤姆都会打球 真的
because Paul actually plays and Tom has played. It's real.
他们做到了 摄像机 在正确的时刻拍到了正确的位置
They did it, the camera hit the right spot at the right moment.
大概最多拍了两次
Like, maybe at the most, two takes. At the most.
我突然说:“好了 今天我们有多余的时间了”
And it was suddenly, like, "Okay, we have extra time today."
我们提前一天完成了 预算少支出了一百万
We finished one day under schedule and a million under budget.
这是我最接近成为“导演”的一次
It was the closest I came to being a "director."
对 - 专业的导演
Yeah. - A professional director.
对我来说 最重要的是继续拍电影
For me, the main thing is to continue making pictures.
我希望这部电影赚钱 这样我就能继续拍电影
I hope the picture makes money so I can continue making films.
《金钱本色》票房♥大卖♥♥
这部电影很成功 保罗获得了奥斯卡奖
The film was successful. Paul won his Oscar.
玛丽·伊丽莎白获得了奥斯卡奖提名
Mary Elizabeth got nominated for an Oscar.
我觉得你帮助了 很多女演员获得奥斯卡提名
I think you've had more women nominated for Academy Awards than any--
对 大概10个 11个吧
Yeah, that's right. I think there were 10 or 11.
但是当电影上映时 我觉得自己并没有完全融入其中
But when the film was released, I felt not quite there with it.
事实上 罗杰·埃伯特 和吉恩·西克尔对我很生气
In fact, Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel got mad at me.
他们扇了我一巴掌 说:“别再那样做了”
They slapped me and, "Don't do that again."
就和我们在很多其他电影中 看到的那样 只有线性叙述
Linear, linear, just as we've seen it in so many other movies.
你对斯科塞斯的期待是 有更多角色刻画和转折
You expect with Scorsese more character things, more twists,
而不仅仅是讲述故事
not just that the point is to tell the story.
包括埃伯特在内的很多人指出
Ebert and a number of others pointed out
我必须逼自己更进一步
that you've got to push yourself further.
我意识到:“对 好吧”
So, I realized, "Yeah, all right."
但我当时只是想拍《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》
But I was just trying to get to Last Temptation.
《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》 作者 尼可斯·卡赞扎基斯
早在70年代 马蒂就一直带着 卡赞扎基斯的这本书
Back in the '70s, Marty always had the Kazantzakis book,
《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》
The Last Temptation of Christ.
马蒂想把它拍成电影 一直没放弃
Marty wanted to do it and insisted on doing it.
我一生都
I'd been interested my whole life
对基♥督♥的理念感兴趣
around the concept of Jesus Christ.
他是谁?他是什么?
Who is it? What is it?
如果只是在十字架上牺牲自己 那很简单 因为他是神
Well, if there's a sacrifice of the cross, it's easy because he's God.
但不对 他同样是人
Well, no, he's equally human.
所以 换句话说 他和我们一样受苦
So, in other words, he suffers the way we do.
这就是为什么这本书打动了我
Yeah, that's why the book hit me.
我读到这本书时说 “这是你可以与之对话的人”
When I read the book, I said, "This is someone you can talk to."
把基♥督♥当作人 我觉得这会让他更加贴近我们
A very human Jesus that I thought was more accessible.
在某种意义上 也会更震撼
That I thought would in a sense be more shocking.
当时没人很想拍这部电影
Nobody really wanted to make it.
当时派拉蒙的负责人巴里·迪勒
Barry Diller, head of Paramount at the time,
想知道我为什么想拍这部电影
wanted to know why I wanted to make the film
我说:“我想更好地了解耶稣”
and I said, "I want to get to know Jesus better."
他的脸一下子红了 他不知道该怎么应付我
And his face turned red, because they didn't know what to do with me.
我不能对电影公♥司♥的高管说这种话 我是不是疯了?
You don't tell this to a studio executive. Was I out of my mind?
但《金钱本色》其实表现很好
But Color of Money actually did very well.
迈克尔·奥维茨说 “我知道这对你有多重要
So Mike Ovitz said, "I know how much it means to you,
我会帮你搞定的”
I'm gonna make this work."
于是我终于有机会拍《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》
And so I finally got a chance to make The Last Temptation.
这是一部独♥立♥电影 后来被环球影业买♥♥下了
It was an independent picture that would be bought by Universal,
制♥作♥成本非常非常低
made for very, very little money.
我们在摩洛哥拍摄
We shot in Morocco.
拍摄过程中遇到了很多困难
And we were in so much difficulty shooting.
请大家准备好 准备拍摄 清场
Let's get ready, please. Standby for picture, let's clear.
下午4点 光就没了
Well, we ran out of light at 4 o'clock.
明天我们得在一天内拍完整个场景
Tomorrow we'll make the entire scene in one day.
那段经历非常紧急 我们没有钱
The experience was an emergency because we had no money.
我们真的没法多拍一两条
We literally couldn't go beyond one or two takes.
从“给我洗礼”开始
"Baptize me," we're going from "Baptize me."
马蒂 这不像是在拍电影 更像是在当伞兵
Marty, this isn't like making a movie, it's like being in the paratroopers.
好了 准备好了 - 开始!
Okay, ready. - Let's go!
抱歉 准备好了 - 开机
Sorry. Ready. - And rolling.
我们想拍完所有关于钉十字架的镜头
We're trying to get everything shot for the end of the crucifixion.
希望我们今天能完成所有拍摄
Hopefully, we get everything done today.
我们原计划用三天拍完钉十字架的镜头
We had planned three days to shoot the crucifixion.
快点 天呐
Let's go, let's go. Oh, my God. Oh, God.
他们说:“我们办不到 我们必须在两天内完成所有拍摄”
They said, "We can't make it. We have to do everything in two days."
从黎明到日落的
Starting at the crack of dawn to the sunset.
每一分钟 都在拍这个场景
Every minute. And it's a crucifixion.
有个人说:“马蒂 你只有这么点钱
A guy says, "Marty, you've only got so much money,
但你想干很多事 你想怎么办?”
but you want ten things. What do you want to do?"
这个镜头应该花十五分钟 这个应该花五分钟
This shot should take fifteen minutes. This should take five.
乔 开始吧
Hey, Joe, let's go.
快了 我在加快了 - 把鼓风机打开
I'm going. I'm trying to hurry. - Get the wind machine up.
对 鼓风机 方向对了吗?
Yeah, the wind machine-- It's faced the right way, isn't it?
把血装满 对
Filling up that blood. Yep.
与此同时 威廉·达夫每次只能
Meanwhile, Willem Dafoe can only be up on the cross
在十字架上待五分钟
for five minutes at a time
因为他会窒息 这就是被钉在十字架上的感觉
because you suffocate, that's what happens when they crucify you.
他会瘫软 无法呼吸
You slump and you can't breathe.
这太疯狂了
It was insane.
我每天要拍25个镜头 我们做到了
I had 25 set-ups each day. And we did 'em.
《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》1988年
这部电影的美妙之处在于 它讲述了耶稣
The beautiful thing about it is it's about Jesus
被自己永远无法拥有的东西诱惑的故事
being seriously tempted with the one thing he could never have.
共创《基♥督♥最后的诱惑》剧本的人
就和普通人一样
Life as a man.
这是恶魔给予的诱惑
It's a temptation from the Devil.
可以这么说 我不必为了献祭 和赎罪而死在十字架上
I don't have to die on the cross for the sacrifice, for sin, so to speak.
我不必被献祭了?
I don't have to be sacrificed?
对 你不用了
No. No, you don't.
我不是弥赛亚吗?
I'm not the Messiah?
你不是
No. No, you're not.
我把这个诱惑推到了极致 告诉他:“你可以这样生活
I took it as far as I could, and I told him, "You can live this way.