移民国度（2020）

Okay.
‎夫人 我能进来和你解释 ‎这是怎么回事吗？
Ma'am, can I come in and explain what's going on?
‎-行吗？ ‎-好的
Yes? -Okay.
‎回去里面陪你妈妈吧 小妹妹
Go back inside with your mom, little girl.
‎听好了... 她要他和女儿说声再见
Listen, she wants him to say goodbye to his daughter, so...
‎你们为什么需要带走他？
Why are you taking him?
‎夫人 他会没事的 ‎他不久后就会打给你了 好吗？
He'll be okay, and he'll call you soon. Okay?
‎别担心 亲爱的 好吗？ 我爱你
Don't worry honey, okay? I love you.
‎过来 宝贝
Come here, baby.
‎这不是好做的任务
Not a good one.
‎我能为我自己和我的队伍说一句话
I mean, I could speak for myself and for my team.
‎我们总是都是这样办事的
That's the way we always are.
‎我们队伍里都是父母 所以我们...
We're all parents on my team, so we...
‎我们都会顾虑孩子和家庭情况
we always take into consideration the children, you know, and the family,
‎我们尽量让
and we try to make, you know,
‎这个令人不快的情况
this probably unpleasant situation,
‎让大家都容易处理一些
you know, just a little bit easier for everyone.
‎你刚开始这一行业时 是有点难
When you first start this job, it is kind of hard.
‎起初 你会让你的情绪 ‎影响你办事方式
You do let your emotions become part of what you do, you know, in the beginning,
‎因为你是人 而你...
just because you're a human being, you know, and you...
‎身为人 你会有对其他人的同情心 ‎还有...
just as a human, you have compassion towards other people.
‎但你知道吧？ ‎这是个必须有人干的活
But you know the saying, right? "It's a job, and somebody has to do it."
‎而那个人就是你
So... that somebody is you,
‎所以你必须学会怎么...
and you just have to kind of learn how to...
‎分开你的个人情绪和你的工作
separate, you know, your personal feelings or your personal emotions from doing your work.
‎我认为任何一个会导致恐惧与创伤
I think the brilliance of any bureaucratic system
‎的官僚制度的辉煌方面
whose net result is fear and trauma is
‎是它们有足够地大分解工作
that it's big enough to break it down
‎让所有人都认为他们做的 ‎都是无关紧要的工作
such that everyone just thinks they're only moving papers or only doing a little piece,
‎在最高等级的人故意设计了系统
and a very small number of people at the top have designed the system
‎让它导致惊人的恐惧和创伤
such that an incredible amount of terror or trauma results,
‎但同时也能让大多数的人 ‎与他们导致的后果分离
but most people are completely divorced from that.
‎ICE是什么？它是个政♥府♥机构
What is ICE, right? It's a government agency.
‎政♥府♥机构都是邪恶的吗？不是
Is a government agency evil? No.
‎ICE部门里面每个人都是邪恶的吗？ ‎不是
Is every single person inside ICE evil? No.
‎ICE身为团体有在特朗普政♥府♥下 ‎作出邪恶的事吗？有
Is ICE as a body net doing evil things under the Trump Administration? Yes.
‎这是ICE里邪恶的个人的错吗？不是
Is that the fault of nefarious individuals throughout ICE? No.
‎他们是被卷进了 ‎他们不明白的政策网吗？是的
Are they caught up in a policy net that's beyond their understanding? Yes.
‎早安 是警♥察♥
It's the police.
‎该系统的辉煌之处在于
The brilliance of the system is
‎他们做的工已经被冲淡
that their job has been siphoned off in such a way
‎让他们每天做的工与看见的东西 ‎似乎都是有道理的
that may be what they see day-to-day-to-day seems justified.
‎但当你加起所有只是在工作的人时
But when you add up all of the people just doing their job,
‎它会变成这个疯狂 ‎令人十分恐惧的系统
it becomes this crazy, terrorizing system.
‎（你是否被拘留 ‎而和你的孩子们被分开？）
‎每当有变化时 都是从上面传下来的
Every time there's changes, and it goes from the top on down,
‎这会导致我们称为 ‎受控制的混乱状况
it usually creates some type of what we tend to call controlled chaos.
‎但你一旦明白必须做的事
But once you get an understanding of what needs to be done
‎而把它从应该做的事分开时
and what should be done, and you separate the two,
‎你就明白你能控制的其实不多
then there's not that much that you can control.
‎它已经是法律了 你只必须跟从
It's already written law. You just have to follow it.
‎20年 你被遣送了20年了 先生 ‎你明白吗？
Twenty years. You are deported for 20 years, sir. Understand?
‎去那里排队
Go stand in that line.
‎我们政♥治♥玩大了
Now we have politics playing a big role
‎新闻媒体也玩大了
and the news media playing a big role,
‎而它们都在说： ‎“嘿 ICE正在分开家庭”
saying, "Hey, you know, now they're separating families."
‎我们现在需要的是 ‎让那消息传到墨西哥那里
So what we need now is that word to get back to the country,
‎让他们继续地传
and they spread it out.
‎他们在自己国内听到了这个消息后
If the word gets passed out to them back in their country,
‎我觉得这会成为一个不错的威慑力
I think it'll be a good deterrent.
‎目前发生的事是你故意导致的吗？
Are you intending for this to play out as it is playing out?
‎你打算让孩子们和父母分开 ‎就是为了传达信息吗？
Are you intending for parents to be separated from their children? Are you intending to send a message?
‎你说的话冒犯了我
I find that offensive.
‎不是 ‎我为什么会创造故意这样做的政策？
No, because why would I ever create a policy that purposely does that?
‎-也许把它当为威慑吧 ‎-不是 这...
Perhaps as a deterrent. -No.
‎塞申斯总检察长说这是威慑
AG Sessions says it was a deterrent.
‎-它的运作方式... ‎-他说过是威慑
The way that it works--
‎你相信这政策是威慑吗？
Do you believe the policy is a deterrent?
‎部长夫人 你相信这政策是威慑吗？
Madam Secretary, do you believe the policy is a deterrent?
‎最终呢 我们的愿景就会成为零容忍♥
Ultimately, that becomes the vision. The vision becomes zero-tolerance.
‎我们会开始分开家庭 ‎而把它看为...
We're gonna begin to separate families, and looking at it as...
‎我们的愿景是威慑非法移♥民♥来到美国
The vision here is to deter illegal immigration coming to the US
‎也希望能慢下非法移♥民♥来临的速度
and hopefully, to slow it down.
‎我一切都明白 ‎但我们能把他们放在哪里？
I get all that, but where are we gonna put them?
‎我们是和大众同时收到消息的
We're getting the news pretty much as everybody else is getting it.
‎很少预先通知
Very little heads-up.
‎发生的第一件事 就是我发现了 ‎我们没能应付情况的计划
I mean, the first thing that happened is I realized we don't have a plan in place.
‎我们不够床位容下两万个家庭
We don't have bed space that can handle, you know, 20,000 families.
‎而那会导致这整个计划 ‎成为一个坏主意
And that's a piece where this becomes a really bad idea,
‎因为说出： ‎“这是我们将做的事”是很容易的
because it's one thing to say, "This is what we're gonna do,"
‎但若我们在全国水平上没计划的话
but then if there's no plan at the national level,
‎这使得在实地上的我们
it makes it so much more challenging.
‎更难处理整个情况
At our level, at the ground level where we make things happen,
‎因为我们没有足够的资源 ‎长♥期♥地管理情况
that we don't have the resources to manage this long-term.
‎也没有足够的资源 ‎短期地管理情况
We don't have resources to manage it short-term.
‎好的
Okay.
‎（2018年6月20日）
‎很多人会很开心的
You're gonna have a lot of happy people.
‎（“零容忍♥”政策开始的七个星期后）
‎迫于政♥治♥压力
Caving to political pressure,
‎特朗普总统今天签了一份
President Trump signed an executive order today
‎暂时阻止非法过边境的家庭被分开 ‎的行政命令
that temporarily prevents the separation of families prosecuted for illegally crossing the border.
‎特朗普总统撤消了 ‎他导致家庭分开的政策
President Trump reversing course on the policy, his own policy, that led to their separation.
‎总统和高层官员争论了多天后
It is an undeniable shift
‎有了不可否认的转变
after the president and his top officials argued for days.
‎现在最困难的部分是
Now the hard part:
‎国会还在争论 ‎找出对移♥民♥情况的长♥期♥解法
Congress still wrestling with a long-term solution on immigration
‎和怎么处理这么多孩子
and what to do with all those children.
‎他们根本不知道 我唯一知道的是 ‎孩子们已经离开宿舍了
They have no clue. All I know is they got pulled from the dorms.
‎我们让他们脱下了制♥服♥ ‎穿上了民用服装
We dressed them out of their uniforms and into civilian clothes.
‎然后怎么办？
And now, "What's gonna happen to me now?"
‎罗梅罗 布拉沃
Romero, Bravo.
‎-绅士们 早安！ ‎-早安
Good morning! -Good morning.
‎请坐
Take a seat, please.
‎你们这里的绅士们
You gentlemen, who are here,
‎当你们第一次被美国海关 ‎或边境巡逻逮捕时...
when you were first arrested by border control or US Customs...
‎举手示意 ‎你们谁是带着未成年孩子一起的？
which of you, by a show of hands, had your underage children with you?
‎这房♥间里20个人 我们有18个
Out of 20 in this room, we have 18.
‎有任何人告诉你 ‎关于你被分开的孩子的消息吗？
Has anybody spoken with you about your separated children?
‎有任何人和你们讨论这一点了吗？
Has anyone spoken with you?
‎-没有 ‎-没有吗？好的
No. -No? Okay.
‎绅士们 我们将做的是...
What we're gonna do, gentlemen--
‎一下子 你们会给我们你们的名字
In a moment, you are going to give us your names.
‎我们会把它们交给驱逐出境执行官
We'll give them to the deportation officials
‎试图让你们和你们的孩子团聚
to try to reunite you with your children again.
‎-明白吗？ ‎-明白
Understand? -Yes.
‎我们希望得到的胜利
The win was hopefully that they'd stop coming,
‎就是吓坏他们 让他们不再过来
and that was hopefully the win.
‎很明显地 那是不会发生的
Clearly, that's not happening.
‎我现在希望的是 ‎高层会重新评估计划 而说
What I'm hoping is now they're reassessing the plan at a higher level and saying,
‎“好 那招不管用”
"Okay, that didn't work."
‎这很明显是他们打算冒的风险 ‎而这让很多人生气了
This is clearly a chance that was taken, and it pissed a lot of people off.
‎外头有很多生气的人
There's a lot of angry people out there.
‎但也有很多开心的人
But there's also a lot of happy people out there.
‎从政♥治♥角度来看
From a political standpoint,
‎我肯定我们的政♥府♥在想
I'm sure our current administration is going,
‎“这带给我们了很好的关注
"This is good attention for us,
‎我们也许能够收回它
and we might be retract it. We might go back,
‎而告诉别人我们不会这样做了”
and we might, you know, say we're not doing this anymore."
‎但支持特朗普总统的人也在想
But the people that supported President Trump are going,
‎“这就是我们要的总统 ‎这就是我们为他投票的原因”
"This is who we want in office, and this is why we voted for him."
‎我小时候
Look, when I was little,