移民国度（2020）

‎会是件很痛苦的事
to not know when I'm leaving.
‎别人有时会把它当处罚看待
You know, people see it sometimes as a punishment.
‎我们不处罚的
We don't punish.
‎所以这...
So, it's...
‎我知道别人是那样看的
I know it's viewed that way,
‎但我们不会通过拘留而处罚他们
but we aren't gonna hold somebody to punish them.
‎进去吧
Go on in.
‎（贝塔）
‎去吧 就在这房♥间里
Go on, right here in this room.
‎-你今天怎么样啦？ ‎-不错
How's your day so far? -Well, fine.
‎谢天谢地 你吃饭了吗？
Thank God. Did you eat yet today?
‎我今天因为食物的味道 ‎差点吃不下午餐
I almost couldn't eat lunch today because of the smell of the food.
‎我感到很伤心 因为当我们来着时 ‎我们看到了两辆巴士进入
I felt sad because when we arrived, we saw two buses entering.
‎我看到巴士上的人
Yes. -I saw the people on the bus.
‎越来越多进来了
More and more arriving.
‎拘留所都满了
The detention center is full.
‎他们一直不停地进来 但离不开
They enter and enter and enter but don't leave.
‎他们离不开
They don't leave.
‎那天有个女孩说了
The other day, the girl said, "Mom,
‎“妈妈 叫律师在母亲节前让你出来吧
tell the lawyer to get you out before Mother's Day.
‎我想和你在一起 妈妈”
I want to be with you, Mom."
‎你会离开的
You will leave. You will leave.
‎让我们祈祷吧
Let's pray. Let's pray.
‎贝塔 我的客户 ‎是一位63岁合法进入美国的奶奶
Berta, my client, she's a 63-year-old grandmother who legally entered the United States.
‎她是和她孙女一起进来的
She entered with her granddaughter
‎要求了庇护
and asked for asylum.
‎所以他们之前有被访问过
So they get interviewed subsequent to that.
‎过了可信恐惧筛查
The passed a credible fear.
‎小女孩和在休斯敦 德州 ‎的妈妈团聚了
Eventually, the little girl gets reunited with mom in Houston, Texas,
‎但奶奶被拘留了
and then grandma is detained.
‎我希望他们会让我离开这里 天主
...and I hope they take me out of here, Lord.
‎我受不了留在这里了
I cannot be here anymore.
‎为了和我一起关在这里的朋友 ‎请你帮我们快点离开
And my friends who are locked up with me, please help us to leave quickly.
‎谢谢你 天主 阿门
Thank you, Lord. Amen.
‎照顾好自己 吃好饭哦
Take care of yourself. Eat.
‎我们待会儿再见？
I'll see you, yeah?
‎上天保佑你
God bless you.
‎给我一个大拥抱
Give me a big hug.
‎所以我每个星期三都会来见她
I've been coming every Wednesday to see her.
‎我们两个奶奶好起来了
Just like two grandmas would, we connect with each other.
‎我不能想象让我的孙女
I just can't imagine having my granddaughter,
‎她告诉我和她一起长大14年的孙女
who grew up with me for 14 years, like she was telling me...
‎去到了边界 忽然间就碰！
They got to the border, and all of a sudden, whammo!
‎那样地被分开了
They just separated them.
‎我知道她之前想死
I know she wanted to die.
‎她孙女和她妈妈在休斯顿团聚了
Her granddaughter's back with her mom in Houston.
‎自从我出生以后 ‎我就和我奶奶在一起了
I have been with my grandmother since I was a newborn.
‎我整个童年都是和她一起花的
I have spent my entire childhood with my grandmother.
‎她是我妈妈
She's my mother.
‎在我居住的邻里
In the neighborhood where I lived,
‎有好多的帮派活动
there was so much gang activity.
‎很多女生被强♥奸♥
Girls were raped.
‎别人因为害怕被谋杀而不敢出声
People didn't say anything for fear of being killed.
‎我和我孙女两个人相依为命
I lived alone with my granddaughter.
‎MS-13帮派想要对付我
And the MS-13 gang wanted to come after me
‎因为他们要我孙女做他们的女人
because they wanted her to be their woman.
‎那家伙来到了我的家里找我
The guy came over to my house looking for me,
‎说我必须和他一起离开...
saying that I had to go with him...
‎但我告诉了他 我不想和他走
But I told him I didn't want to go with him.
‎我不想嫁给他 ‎他们想逼我嫁给他
I didn't want to marry him. They wanted to force me to marry him.
‎我拒绝了他 说我不想嫁给他
I told him no, that I didn't want to marry him.
‎我当时才12岁
I was only 12 years old.
‎然后他试图了强硬吻我 ‎但我奶奶不让他
And then he tried kissing me by force, and my grandma didn't let him.
‎他告诉了我奶奶 ‎若她不走开的话 他就会伤害她
And he told my grandma he would hurt her if she didn't leave.
‎他们告诉我 若我不离开屋子的话
They told me that if I don't leave the house,
‎他们就会放火烧我或杀了我
they would set me on fire or kill me.
‎我当时想 ‎我能为我和我的孙女要求庇护
I thought I could ask for protection for me and my granddaughter.
‎所以我什么都不说来到了这里
So I came here without saying a word.
‎我们晚上出行的
We traveled at night.
‎走了多过十天才到达这里
It took more than ten days to get here.
‎我通过了桥 ‎为我和我的孙女要求庇护
I entered through the bridge to ask for protection for me and my granddaughter.
‎他们通过了华雷斯城
And then they come through Ciudad Juárez,
‎在进口港自首了 要求了庇护
and they turn themselves in at the port of entry and ask for asylum.
‎她是在逃命 ‎但她以正确的方式做了
She's fleeing for her life, but she did it the correct way.
‎为什么？因为她去到了进口港 ‎基本上自首了
Why? 'Cause she went to the port of entry and basically turned herself in.
‎她又不是想躲起来
It's not like she was hiding,
‎或想通过车厢里被偷渡进来
she was trying to be smuggled in the trunk of a car.
‎她以正确的方式做了事
She did it the right way.
‎我奶奶尽了所把我带来这里
My grandmother did all she could to get me here alive and well,
‎但移♥民♥局分开了我们
but Immigration separated us.
‎我两个月后就从拘留所里放出来了
I was released from the shelter after two months...
‎而她留在那里...
and she remained in detention...
‎一个月又一个月地过了...
another month and then another one...
‎我在这里17个月了
I've been here for 17 months.
‎我在这里好久了
I've been here for a long time already.
‎我不知道移♥民♥局 ‎为什么还是不肯让我走
I don't know why Immigration won't let me leave.
‎我什么都没欠他们
I don't owe anything.
‎只是因为我向这个国家要求了庇护
Only because I came to ask for protection from this country.
‎这是个短暂让人住的地方
This is a transient place. It's only, like, temporary.
‎不是用来长久地拘留人数月或数年的
It's not meant to hold people for years or months.
‎但国会决定了 当你非法地进入时
But Congress said that when you enter illegally like that,
‎你没有受保释的权力
you don't have a right to a bond,
‎你唯一能离开的方法是由ICE决定
and the only way that you can get out is at the discretion of ICE.
‎-最终 是你的决定？ ‎-是的
And ultimately, it's your decision? -Yes, it is. Yes.
‎你必须考虑四个因素 好吧？
You have to look at four factors, okay?
‎四个因素就是：第一 她的身份
The four factors is: one, her identity.
‎他们真的是他们所说的人吗？
Is this the person that they say they are?
‎她的身份没问题
Her identity is not questionable.
‎这是她的出生证 这是她的护照
Here's her birth certificate. Here's her passport.
‎这是她的身份证
Here's her national ID.
‎他们在美国里有支持系统吗？
Do they have a support system in the United States?
‎她有个在休斯顿里居住了多年的女儿
She has a daughter in Houston who's been living there for many years.
‎他们有逃跑风险吗？
Are they a flight risk?
‎我们释放他们以后 他们会消失吗？
Are they gonna disappear once we release them?
‎我们会找得到这个人吗？
Are we gonna be able to find this person?
‎她有个固定地址
She has a fixed address.
‎她有用来证明 ‎这是个固定地址的费用单
She's got bills to prove that it's a fixed address,
‎证明这地址不是乱编的 是真的地方
that it exists. It's not a made-up address.
‎第四个是 ‎他们会对社会带来威胁吗？
The fourth piece is: Are they a threat to the community?
‎他们参与过外籍偷渡吗？
Have they been involved with alien smuggling?
‎他们参与过任何贩运行动吗？
Have they been involved with any kind of trafficking?
‎如果这些因素能被满足的话 那你...
If those areas can be clearly satisfied,
‎我们就该考虑给他们假释
the consideration should be to grant a parole to someone.
‎所以我们那一切都证明过了 ‎国会说的是
So we've proved all that. And so, what Congress said is,
‎“如果你能证明那一切
"If you can prove all that, and you can show
‎也能显示继续拘留你 ‎不会给美国带来利益
that it is not in the interest of United States government
‎而你不是对美国国♥家♥安♥全♥的威胁
to hold you or to detain you, you're not a threat to the national security of the United States,
‎你对社会不是威胁
you're not a threat to the community,
‎那你就该被释放出来”
then by all means, you should be released."
‎但ICE说：“不能
But ICE says, "No.
‎就算你能证明那一起 又怎么样？
Even if you prove that, so what?
‎我们有新的政♥府♥ ‎我们一点也不他妈的在乎
We're under a new administration. We don't give a shit.
‎我们会拘留你 ‎我们会让你很难受
We're gonna hold you. We're gonna make it hard for you.
‎知道为什么吗？ ‎因为我们不要你在这里
You know why? 'Cause we don't want you here.
‎我们要你回去” ‎这就是他们的信息
We want you to go back." That's the message.
‎凭我们所看到了的证据
The evidence that we've seen,
‎我们认为ICE在利用贝塔这样的人 ‎作为威慑力
we think that ICE is using people like Berta as a deterrent,
‎给其他人一个信息
as a motivator to send the message,
‎“别来 别要求庇护 ‎因为你会被拘留这样久”
"Don't come. Don't ask for asylum, 'cause you're gonna be held for this long."
‎我们那样认为的 ‎当然 要证明那一点是挺难的
So we believe that. Of course, it's kind of hard to prove, right?
‎因为ICE是不会那样承认的