远古外星人（2009）
Ancient Aliens S18E12
Part 4
Nov. 1, 2022, 9:19 a.m.
NARRATOR: In April of 2014,
古代宇航员理论家乔治•索卡罗斯
ancient astronaut theorist Giorgio Tsoukalos
前往新墨西哥州的罗斯威尔的
traveled to the Roswell International Air Center
国际航♥空♥中心
in New Mexico
会见该市市长德尔·朱尼
to meet with the city's mayor, Del Jurney,
并罕见地参观了据称是第一次存放了
and to get a rare look at the hanger
罗斯威尔事件中的残骸和外星尸体
where the Roswell wreckage and extraterrestrial bodies
所在的机库
were allegedly first taken.
哇
Wow.
-所以 . . -这是巨大的
-So... -This is huge.
朱尼：那你怎么看？
JURNEY: So what do you think?
索卡罗斯：伙计，我现在起鸡皮疙瘩了
TSOUKALOS: Man, I have goose bumps right now.
我的意思是，我们正在回溯历史
I mean, we're walking on history.
朱尼：太棒了，不是吗？
JURNEY: It's amazing, isn't it?
你熟悉那个地方吗？
Are you, are you familiar with where the spot is?
-熟悉存放在飞碟的地方？
-Where they actually put them? -Well, y-you know,
-嗯，你知道
the information that I have
我的信息说它可能就在角落里
says that it's probably right over here in the corner.
他们把残骸带到那里
Uh, they took them over there,
对尸体进行了检查
did an examination of the bodies.
索卡罗斯：所以这就是它所在的地方
TSOUKALOS: So this is where it was.
朱尼：就是这里 是的，进来吧
JURNEY: This is it. Yeah, come on in.
他们把残骸放在机库区
They had the debris out here in the hangar area
然后把尸体带进了这个房♥间
and they bring the bodies inside this room.
索卡罗斯：我真的不知道该说什么
TSOUKALOS: I-I really don't know what to say,
因为，我的意思是，如果是这样的话 . .
'cause, I mean, if this was it...
-你正站在 . . -是的
-You're standing where... -Yeah, yeah.
. . . 外星人被带过来 . .
...where extraterrestrial beings...
-索卡罗斯：. . .所在的地方
-TSOUKALOS: Were. -...might have been.
碎片去哪儿了？ 它最终在哪里？
Where did the debris go? Where did it end up?
好吧，当然，它最终与政♥府♥有关
Well, it ended up with the government, of course.
我的理解是，他们将尸体带到了
My understanding is that they took the bodies
赖特-帕特森空军基地
to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,
当然，也可能带走了碎片
certainly, probably took the debris as well,
并将其保存在某个军事设施中
and have it well-preserved in a military installation someplace.
有没有可能
NARRATOR: Is it possible
一艘外星飞船真的在罗斯威尔坠毁
that an alien craft really did crash in Roswell,
并被美国政♥府♥所掩盖了
and was covered up by the U.S. government,
正如古代宇航员理论家所认为的那样？
as ancient astronaut theorists suggest?
当证人竞选美国总统时
Perhaps such encounters are harder to ignore
也许这样的外星遭遇会很难被忽视
when the witness is running for president of the United States.
在《远古外星人》节目中，我们研究了
On "Ancient Aliens," we have examined
有记录以来最不寻常的遭遇
the most extraordinary encounters on record,
不管你信不信，每年都会报道
and believe it or not, there are thousands
数以千计的新UFO目击事件
of new UFO sightings reported every year.
当然，怀疑论者认为这些说法
Of course, skeptics dismiss these accounts
是误解或彻头彻尾的恶作剧
as misinterpretations or outright hoaxes,
但在其中一集《远古外星人》中
but on one episode of "Ancient Aliens,"
尼克波普调查了一名目击到不明飞行物的目击者
Nick Pope investigated a UFO sighting
该目击者相当可信
made by a witness who's as credible as it gets,
因为这位目击者公开了他的遭遇
because this witness went public with his encounter
而且竞选了美国总统
while running for president of the United States.
宾夕法尼亚州 费城 2007年10月30日
在德雷塞尔大学举♥行♥的民♥主♥党初选辩论中
NARRATOR: During the Democratic primary debate at Drexel University,
主持人蒂姆·拉塞特转身向总统候选人
moderator Tim Russert turns and addresses
丹尼斯·库奇尼奇发表讲话
presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.
蒂姆·拉塞特：库奇尼奇国会议员，一个严肃的问题
TIM RUSSERT: Congressman Kucinich, a serious question.
雪莉·麦克雷恩在她的新书中写道
Shirley MacLaine writes in her new book
你在华盛顿州的家中看到了不明飞行物
that you sighted a UFO over her home in Washington state,
你觉得这次遭遇非常感人
that you found the encounter extremely moving,
那是一艘三角飞行器
that it was a triangular craft.
问题是，你确实看到不明飞行物了吗？
Now, did you see a UFO?
我看到了，而且，其余的描述 . .
Uh, I did, and, uh, the rest of the account...
- 哦，我没有搞笑（笑声）
-(laughter) -Oh, I-I didn't, I--
-这是一个不明飞行物，是吧？
It was an unidentified flying object, okay?
就像，它是身份不明的 我看到了一些东西
It's like, it's unidentified. I saw something.
现在 . .而且，你必须记住
Now... And also, you have to keep in mind
吉米卡特也看到过不明飞行物
that more, that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO,
而且，这个国家见过不明飞行物的人
and also, that more people in this country,
比我认为的
uh, uh, have seen UFOs
赞同乔治布♥什♥总统任期的人还要多
than I think approve of George Bush's presidency.
辩论时刻成为全国头条新闻
NARRATOR: The debate moment made national headlines.
虽然库奇尼奇不是竞选领跑者
While Kucinich was not a front-runner,
但许多政♥治♥评论员认为
many political commentators proposed that this admission
这一承认无疑对他的竞选产生了负面影响
undoubtedly had a negative impact on his campaign.
约翰·波德斯塔：我认为，对于大多数人来说
JOHN PODESTA: I think, for most people,
甚至你在讨论不明飞行物的行为
it's been the notion that you are even discussing UFOs
都往往被视为职业生涯的终结
tends to be viewed as a career ender.
你知道，如果你认真对待这些现象
You know, people think you're a little bit whacky
人们会认为你有点古怪
if you're, uh, taking the phenomena seriously.
但丹尼斯·库奇尼奇到底经历了什么？
NARRATOR: But just what did Dennis Kucinich experience?
华盛顿 西雅图 2020年2月
前英国国防部
Former British Ministry of Defence
不明飞行物调查员尼克·波普
UFO investigator Nick Pope
安排与丹尼斯·库奇尼奇
has arranged to meet with Dennis Kucinich
在1982年遭遇不明飞行物的地点会面
at the location of his 1982 UFO encounter,
该地点是奥斯卡获奖女演员
the former home of Academy Award-winning actress
雪莉·麦克雷恩的故居
Shirley MacLaine.
这座已售出的房♥屋俯瞰雷尼尔山
The home, which has since been sold, overlooks Mount Rainier,
这是臭名昭著的肯尼斯·阿诺德
the site of the infamous Kenneth Arnold
飞碟事件的发生地
flying saucer incident
该事件在1947 年引发了UFO热潮
that ignited the UFO craze in 1947.
-你好，欢迎 -库奇尼奇：嗨 -波普：嗨
-Hey there, welcome. -KUCINICH: Hi. -POPE: Hi.
现任房♥主同意让尼克
NARRATOR: The current owner agreed to allow Nick and Dennis
和丹尼斯四处看看
to take a look around.
-房♥主：进来吧 -来吧 -谢谢
-HOMEOWNER: Come on in. -Go ahead. -Thank you.
-哇 -是的，真的
-Wow. -Yeah, really.
（两人都笑了）
(both chuckle)
-波普：多么美妙的景色 -库奇尼奇：哦，看
-POPE: What a fabulous view. -KUCINICH: Oh, look,
-没有比这更美的地方了 -这当然
-there's nothing like this. -This is, of course,
是你目击不明飞行物的地方
the location where you had your UFO sighting.
你能告诉我那件事吗？
Can you tell me about it?
嗯，尼克，我和两个朋友
Well, uh, Nick, I was seated at a dinner table
坐在餐桌旁
with myself and two friends,
我注意到远处有一个亮光
and I noticed a-a light in the distance.
亮光来自房♥子正上方的一座小山
Came from a hill directly over the house.
-来吧，让我指给你看 -好的
-Come on, let me show you. -Okay.
-哇，太棒了 -所以我站在这里
-Wow, fabulous. -So I was standing out here,
望远镜就在这里
the-the scope was here.
我在这里架起来的 . .
I-I brought it up here...
. . . 这样我就看到光了
...so that I could get a look at the light.
当我看着它时，我发现它不仅仅是
And when I looked at it, I saw that it wasn't just,
一个亮光，它是一系列的亮光
uh, one light, it was a series of lights,
就像一张网，一个堆叠在另一个上
like a grid, one stacked on another.
我回去看了看，然后我看到了
I went back and I looked, and then I saw something
一些非同寻常的东西
that was extraordinary.
我说，“亮光正在分开”
I-I said, "The lights were separating."
他们肯定在朝着这个方向前进
They were definitely moving in this direction.
所以就在那时，我来到了这里的边缘
So at that point, came right to the edge here
我向山上望去
and I looked out into the hills to watch
我的观察证明这是三艘飞船 在朝这个方向移♥动♥
what proved to be three crafts moving in this direction.
我来说清楚点，第一次看到飞碟是在那边
Just to be clear, first seen over there,
-然后径直飞过房♥子 -是的
-to directly over the house. -Right.
就在远处的山丘上
Right in the hills in the distance,
然后直线飞行
and then in a straight line.
那条直线就指向头顶
That straight line would just go right overhead here.
然后飞到房♥子上方
And then above the house.
然后，然后，很快 . .
And then, and then, quickly...
-波普：对，然后“嗖”的一声 . . 加速看不见了
-POPE: Right, and then "whoosh." -...accelerating out of sight.
就这样，飞走了
Just like that, gone.
-那是你最后一次见到它们？ -是的
-And that was the last you saw of them? -Oh, yeah.
第二天，库奇尼奇向雪莉·麦克雷恩
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