韦科惨案

but it sure doesn't look like that to us.
大卫 我
David, I--
"个人而言"
"Personal level."
"就我个人而言"
"On a personal level."
我们从这次对话中知道了什么
What'd we just learn from this conversation?
他们会听从考雷什的一切指令
That they'll do whatever this Koresh guy tells 'em.
不 这我们早知道了
No, we already knew that.
但史蒂夫说
But Steve said that
他个人而言觉得很尴尬
he was embarrassed about that "On a personal level."
他在和考雷什划清界限
He's separating himself from Koresh.
他说他不同意
Saying he doesn't agree.
你对这个史蒂夫·施耐德有什么了解
What can you tell me about this Steve Schneider?
他之前是夏威夷大学的神学教授
Uh, well, he was a professor of theology at the University of Hawaii.
老家是威斯康辛
He's originally from Wisconsin.
他和他妻子六年前加入了该组织
He and his wife joined the group six years ago.
他是他们的明星招募人
He's their star recruiter.
自从他加入后 教派成员翻了近一倍
The group has nearly doubled since he joined.
是吗
Really?
我们的线人说他是粘合他们的胶水
Our informant says that he's the glue that keeps this place together.
还有
And get this.
他妻子 朱迪
His wife, Judy,
最近给考雷什生了个孩子
recently had a baby with Koresh.
这对他们关系肯定不好
That can't be good for the relationship.
如果大多数人是史蒂夫招募进去的
If Steve brought most of these people in,
我想他觉得他对他们的健康负有责任
I would guess he feels responsible for their well-being.
对吧 我们把注意力集中到他身上
Right? Let's focus all our attention on him.
如果我们能让史蒂夫退出 那这次对峙就会结束
If we can break Steve away, this whole thing ends.
大卫
David...?
你能听到我吗
Can you hear me?
我想送一些人出去
I'd like to send some people out.
杰丁的孩子没了母亲
Jaydean's kids are without a mother,
玛格丽特和凯瑟琳 她们
and Margaret and Catherine, they're just--
她们年纪太大了
they're just too old for this.
我们食物快不足了
We are running low on food.
供水也很短缺
And our water supply is real bad.
人越少越好
The less mouths to feed, the better.
-情况变糟了 -嗯
- Well, that's getting worse. - Yeah.
我看看
Let me see.
真的好疼
It hurts real bad.
-你该离开 -大卫要走吗
- I'm thinking you should go. - Well, is David going?
不
No.
-那我也不走 -看看你手指
- Then I'm not going. - Look at your finger.
如果感染扩散
If that infection spreads,
你可能会失去你的手
you-- I mean, you could lose your hand.
-我知道 -可能丢掉你的命
- I know. - You could lose your life.
疼得我睡不着
It hurts so bad, I can't sleep.
切掉
Cut it off.
什么
What?
-反正都保不住了 史蒂夫 切掉 -不要
- I'm gonna lose it anyway, Steve. Cut it off. - No!
这里的人都疯了吗
Has everyone around here lost their minds?
没人会切掉你手指
Nobody's cutting your finger off!
我要送你出去接受医疗救助
And I'm sending you outside to get medical attention.
不行
No, you're not!
-我就要 -不行
- Yes I am-- - No, you are not!
我刚通完电♥话♥ 他们要送四个人出来
I just got off the phone. They're sending four people out.
-两个是小孩 -这算是个开始
- Two of 'em, kids. - That's a start.
四个人很难算得上成功吧
Four people seems hardly cause for celebration.
他们开始放人了 策略奏效
Well, they're starting to trickle out. The strategy's working.
你觉得你能帮我协调带他们出来吗
Now, you think you can help me coordinate bringing 'em out?
当然
Yeah, sure.
妈妈
Mama.
妈妈
Mama. Ma...
你好啊
Hey, there.
我叫盖里 你叫什么名字
I'm Gary. What's your name?
-蕾欧娜 -蕾欧娜
- Leona. - Leona?
这名字真好听
Such a pretty name.
我们打电♥话♥给你妈妈 告诉她你没事 好吗
Hey, why don't we call your mom and tell her you're okay?
-我们没法打给她 -为什么
- We can't call her. - Why not?
因为你们杀了她
Because you killed her.
第四天
-史蒂夫 -怎么了
- Hey, Steve? - Yep?
你能不能跟联调局谈谈佩里的事
I was wondering if you could talk to the FBI about Perry.
看看他们同不同意让我们把他尸体埋在外面
See if they'll let us bury his body outside.
我之前让你把他尸体埋在掩体里
I asked you to bury his body in the storm shelter.
我知道 只是...米歇尔
I know. It's just-- Michelle.
如果我们能把他
I know it would mean a lot
埋在桃金娘树旁 对她来说意义重大
to her if we could bury him by the myrtle tree--
不可能的 他们不会同意的
It's impossible. It's not gonna happen.
能不能麻烦你问一下
Could you just ask? Please?
我试试吧
I can try.
今天 我们请到了一位特别嘉宾
All right, today, we got something a little different for y'all.
詹姆斯·塔伯博士 是什么领域的
Our guest today is a Dr. James Tabor, professor of-- what was it?
新兴宗教团体
I specialize in emergent religions.
新兴宗教团体
Emergent religions.
我们来谈谈你对大卫异教的看法
Let's talk about your interest in this Branch Davidian cult.
我得先打断你一下 罗恩
Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there, Ron.
我认为 没有什么所谓的异教
I would propose that there's no such thing as a cult.
"异教"是一个用来形容
"Cult" is a judgment word used to
别人眼中紧密团结的宗教团体的评判词汇
talk about somebody else's tightly-knit religious group.
世界上没人会加入他们眼中的异教
Nobody in the world belongs to what they see as a cult.
是 但当你想到异教这个词的时候
Yeah, but there are certain traits you think of
-你肯定会联想出一些特征 -那倒是
- when you think of a cult. - That's true.
按我们的定义来说 早期的基♥督♥徒就算是异教的
The early Christians, by our definition, belonged to a cult.
你是说耶稣是异教领导者吗
So you're saying Jesus was a cult leader?
这不是我说的
I wasn't saying it exactly like that,
但按照"异教"的一般定义来说 的确如此
but by the common definition of "Cult," yes.
有电♥话♥进来了 谢谢你 塔伯博士
Oh, that got the phones ringing. You done it now, Dr. Tabor.
打扰一下 我儿子在卡梅尔庄园里 我想跟他说话
Excuse me. My son is in Mt. Carmel, and I need to talk to him.
你是怎么通过路障的
How did you get past the barricade?
听我说 我不太清楚他到底是怎么卷入这事的
Listen, I am not altogether sure how he got mixed up in all this mess,
但如果我能跟他说上话
but I know if I could talk to him, if I could just speak to him,
就能让他出来
that I could get him to come out.
抱歉 这样不行
I'm sorry, I can't let you do that.
-为什么 -因为我不想让里面的人
- Why not? - Because I don't wanna give him
了却后顾之忧的借口
or anyone in there the chance to tie up loose ends.
你觉得他们会自杀吗
You think that they're gonna kill themselves?
我怎么想不重要
Doesn't matter what I think.
但我也不会给他们机会告别
But I'm not gonna give them a chance to say goodbye either way.
护送她回检查点
Please escort her back behind the checkpoint.
我只是想知道他怎么样了
I just wanna know if he's all right.
他叫大卫·帝博杜
His name is David Thibodeau.
新闻没有报道任何名字
The news reports aren't releasing any names.
抱歉 女士 此刻我也知之甚少
I'm sorry, ma'am. I don't have any more information at this time.
我只是想知道他是否还活着 拜托了
I just need to know if he's alive! Please!
大卫 你的烧还是没退
David, your fever's not breaking.
要是再得不到救治 我担心你会死
I'm afraid you're going to die if we don't get you help.
一切皆是天意
It's all part of God's plan.
不 我才失去我父亲 我不想再失去你
No. I just lost my father. I'm not gonna lose you, too.
-你好 -你好 你是哪位
- Hello? - Hello. Who's this?
-赛勒斯 -大卫的儿子
- Cyrus. - David's son.
-嗯 -你好啊 赛勒斯
- Yeah. - Well, hello, Cyrus.
能让你♥爸♥接电♥话♥吗
Can you put your dad on the phone?
你会杀了我吗
Are you gonna kill me?
不 没人会杀了你
No. No one's going to kill you.
赛勒斯
Cyrus?
谢了 伙计
Thanks, buddy.
你好 我是史蒂夫·施耐德
Hello, this is Steve Schneider.
你好 史蒂夫 我给你打电♥话♥
Oh, hey, Steve. Just wanted to give you a quick call
是想告诉你大家都平安抵达了
and let you know that everybody arrived safe.
很好 那你该明白我们的意图了
Good. Well, I hope that shows you what we're about.
我们想和平解决
We wanna see this resolved peacefully.