I'm sorry I
没关系 - 这只是
It's okay - It just
这让我感到不知所措 - 是的 是的
It makes me feel overwhelmed - Yeah Yeah
慢慢来,别着急
Just take your time
我知道你在研讨会上研究这个问题
I know you work on this in your seminars
人们,正在研讨
实际的真实生活场景
People, uh, workshopping actual real-life scenarios
所以你介意做一个角色扮演吗
在这个场景中
So would you mind, kind of a role play where
好的 - 我将扮演
Okay - I will, in this scenario,
一个向你表达担忧的有色人种,
be the person of color who's bringing concern to you,
然后你来展示如何应对这种情况?
and then you'll show how to navigate that?
当然,当然
Sure,Sure
好的,工作场所场景
Okay So, workplace scenario
嗨,罗宾 - 嗨
Hi, Robin - Hi
我注意到,你今天早些时候
I noticed, uh, you passed by me in the hall
在走廊里经过我
earlier today
你的微笑显得过于夸张,
and you were really overdoing the smile,
这让我感觉,嗯,
and it made me feel, um,
被轻视,而且感觉有种族主义
patronized and it felt racist
而且
And
我在考虑向人力资源部反映这件事
I'm thinking about going to HR about it
嗯,我很感谢你告诉我这件事,
Well, I appreciate you letting me know,
我想这对你来说并非没有风险
and I imagine that's not without its risks and I imagine that's not without its risks
我当然不是有意
I certainly would not have intended
对你造成这样的影响
但我非常清楚
to have that impact on you, but I'm very clear
我确实对你造成了这样的影响
that I did have that impact on you
如果你准备好了,我很乐意
I would love to offer you a repair,
为你提供一个补救的机会
if if that's something you're ready for
我现在不想谈这个
I don't want to talk about it right now
好的 - 因为我太... 我很受伤
Okay - Because I'm too I'm hurt
好的,我理解
Okay Understood
呃,如果你改变主意了,请告诉我
Um, if that changes, let me know
当我准备好谈的时候
我会和你谈的
When I'm ready to talk, I'll talk to you
好的,我明白了
Yeah Understood
我想做的是,我们能不能
What I would like to do, could we
让我们快进到另一天
Let's fast-forward to another day
第二天 - 好的
Next day - Okay
嗨,罗宾
Hi, Robin,Hi, Robin
又在走廊里擦肩而过,而且
Passed by in the hall again and
这次,你甚至完全没对我笑
this time, you didn't even smile at all at me
好的 - 这让我感觉
Okay - and it made me feel
被异化、被排斥、被边缘化,呃
otherized, excluded, marginalized, um
被蒸发
vaporized
现在我真的在考虑
去找人力资源部
Now I'm really thinking about going to HR
我感觉和你在一个工作场所很不舒服
是的
- I don't feel comfortable - Yeah
和你在同一个工作场所
我感到很不舒服
with you in this workplace with me
好的,而昨天,
Okay And yesterday,
我们有过度微笑的事件
we had the over-smiling incident
是的 现在它在下面 - 好的
Yeah Now it's under - Okay
它在微笑下面
It's under-smiling
我想说,嗯,
I would say, um,
"我有点,我有点,嗯,
"I'm a little bit,I'm a little bit, um,
"对如何最好地继续有些困惑
"confused about how best to proceed
"我不能否认我,嗯
"I can't deny that I am, um
"你愿意给我一些指导吗?"
"Would you be willing to give me some guidance "
我不认为教育你是我的责任
I don't think it's up to me
来教育你 - 明白了
to educate you - Understood
是否有你信任的人
我可以和他们交谈?
Is there anyone you trust, uh, that I can talk to?
也许另一个白人,他们的理解
Maybe another white person whose understanding
此时,我认为
At this point, I think
我们应该走不同的走廊
we should take separate hallways
好的
Okay
所以 - 明白了
So - Understood
那是一个非常微妙的,呃,情况
That was a very nuanced, uh, situation
是的,呃,我尽力了
Yeah, uh, I did my best
可能是我在那种情况下会做的
Probably what I would do in that situation
我最不想做的事,
The very last thing that I want to do,
而且,呃,这对我来说甚至感觉不对
and, uh, it doesn't even feel right to me
结束这次谈话,
to end this conversation,
呃,特别是当房♥间里有有色人种时
uh, especially when there are people of color
在房♥间里 - 好的
in the room - Okay
本,如果你愿意
Ben, if you're willing
来和我们坐一会儿
to come and sit with us for just a moment
当然 - 嗯
Sure - Um
这是本
So is Ben
是的 这是本,呃,这部电影的制片人
Yeah This is Ben, uh, producer on the film
而且,嗯
And, um
我认为这是一个强有力的机会
I thought it would be a powerful opportunity to
直接与有色人种交谈并
speak directly to a person of color and
面对我们的种族主义,同时也为
confront our racism and also apologize for
压♥迫♥本的白人至上主义制度道歉,
the white supremacist systems that oppress Ben,
所以你想先开始吗?
so do you want to go first?
好吧,代表我自己和我的白人同胞,
Well, on behalf of myself and my fellow white people,
我道歉
I apologize
呃,这不是你的错,是我们的错
Uh, it is not you, it is us
只要我还站着,我会尽我所能
As long as I'm standing, I will do my best
去挑战它
to challenge it
我现在想给你赔偿
I want to pay you reparations right now
嗯,你愿意接受吗?
Um, will you accept?
我... 我不会拒绝
I I won't turn it down
好的 我不知道
Okay I don't know
嗯
um
是20美元
is 20 well
这是我所有的了 嗯
This is all I have Um
我,呃
I, uh
我知道这不是 - 嗯
I know that's not - Um
这不会
That's not gonna
这无法弥补400年的压♥迫♥,
That doesn't make up for 400 years of oppression,
但是,嗯,这是我能给予的全部了
but, um, it's all that I have to give
嗯
Um
我 我不知道这是否足够
I I don't know if it's ever enough
呃,但我可以说的是我很感激
Uh, but what I can say is I appreciate the fact
你在付出努力
that you're putting in the work
嗯,你知道,我,我觉得你说得对
Um, you know, I,I think you're right
我不认为,我不认为这会有尽头
I don't think,I don't think it'll ever end
但是,呃,有
But, uh, there is
有小进步
我想我们今天取得了一些进展
there is small progress,I think we made today
嗯
Um
你 你想不想
Did you Did you want to
那个 - 支付任何,呃
That - pay any, uh
那真的很奇怪
That was really weird
为什么很奇怪?
Why was it weird?
呃 呃,因为在我看来真的很奇怪
Uh Uh, 'cause it seemed really weird to me
为什么?
Why?
嗯,因为你突然掏出钱包,
Um, because you just took out your wallet,
我不知道,这
and I don't know, it
因为我认为赔偿是一种
'Cause I think reparations is like a
系统性的,嗯
a systemic, um
动态和方法,所以,我的意思是,我认为
dynamic and approach and so, I mean, I think that
可能有些人会因此感到被冒犯
there may be some people who would be offended by
显然,你并没有被冒犯
Clearly, you were not offended by that
我 我不会拒绝现金
I I won't turn down cash
嗯 - 嗯
Um -Hmm
我想,我们是不是要
I think, are we gonna
我们是否要让自己感到不舒服
Are we gonna allow ourselves to be uncomfortable and
并且尽我们个人所能,
and just do what we can personally,
还是我们要坐在这里,
or we gonna sit around,
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