种族奇事（2024）

Um
我不知道
I don't know
让我们希望他们能被找到
Let's just hope that they are
你知道我的意思吗？
You know what I'm saying?
比如说，我们还不要谈那个
Like, let's let's not go there yet
仔细想想，
On second thought,
我其实不太想吃赛百味
I don't really feel like Subway
嗨，罗宾
Hi, Robin
罗宾·迪安杰洛
Robin DiAngelo
很荣幸
It's an honor
很荣幸见到你
It's an honor to meet you
真是 该死
It Damn it
很高兴见到你，罗宾·迪安杰洛
It's nice to meet you, Robin DiAngelo
迪安杰洛博士
Dr Robin DiAngelo
呃，有没有迪安杰洛先生？
Is there a, uh, Mr DiAngelo?
替朋友问的
Asking for a friend
像你这样备受尊敬的
Someone of your esteemed
蠢死了
Stupid
罗宾，你能给我的书签名吗？
Robin Would you sign my book?
你的书，你能给我的书签名吗？
Your book Would you sign my book I have of yours?
我恳求你给我签名
I'm pleading with you to sign my
请问，你能给我的书签名吗？
Please, would you sign my book?
"致你的朋友，呃，马特"
"To your friend, uh, Matt "
好的
Okay
就是现在
This is it
别搞砸了
Don't screw this up
别搞砸了
Don't mess this up
让我们开始工作吧
Let's do the work
嗨，罗宾 - 嗨
Hi, Robin -Hi
你叫什么名字？
And what's your name?
我是马特 - 马特，你好
I'm Matt - Matt Hi, Matt
很高兴认识你，很高兴认识你
Nice to meet you,Nice to meet you
我必须问你是谁，因为
I just had to ask who you are because
你必须小心
you have to be careful
你永远不能太小心
You can never be too careful
让我们 让我们从书开始说起
Let's Let's start with the book
我认为这是过去一个世纪最重要的书之一，
One of the most important books of the past century,
我会说，就我而言，《白人的脆弱性》
I would say, for my money, White Fragility
呃，你在这个领域已经很长时间了
Uh, you've been in this field for a long time
你做了很多工作
You've done a lot
你都和哪些组织合作过？
What sort of organizations have you, uh, worked with?
你想让我列举吗？
Do you want me to name?
哦，当然，我是说
Oh, sure I mean
我应该列举吗？我
Should I name it? I
好吧，但我不想为他们的行为负责
Okay Well, but I don't want to be held responsible
为他们所做的事负责
for what they do for what they do
网飞
Netflix
谷歌♥，亚马逊，Snapchat
Google Amazon Snapchat
你为他们做什么？
And what do you do for them?
有时是工作坊，或者是互动式的
Sometimes it's a workshop, or it's interactive
也许这会持续几个小时或一整天
Maybe it would take place over several hours or a day
让我们从一些定义开始
Let's start with some definitions
可能最需要定义的是种族主义
And probably the biggest one to define is racism
嗯,如果你说的是一个白人,
Well, if you're talking about a white person,
你说这个人是种族主义者,
and you say this person is racist,
对我来说,你基本上是在说这个人
you're basically, to me, saying this person
是他们社会的产物
is a product of their society
一个白人有可能
Is it possible for a white person
不是种族主义者吗?
to be not racist? to be not racist?
我认为,在某个特定时刻
我们可能或多或少具有种族主义倾向
I think, in a given moment, we can be more or less racist
我们 所以我认为这
We're And so I think of it
更像是一个连续体,而不是非此即彼
more as a continuum than an either-or
有什么方法可以消除白人特权吗?
Is there any way to get rid of, uh, white privilege?
如果一个人说,
If an individual says,
"我不想拥有这种特权,这感觉不公平"
"I don't want to have this privilege, it feels unfair "
有没有办法让一个男人说,
Is there any way for a man to say,
"我不想要这种特权"?
我的意思是,我们生活在父权社会中
"I don't want this privilege"? I mean, we live in patriarchy
你不能就这样退出
And you can't just opt out
你能做的是尽最大努力去挑战它
You can do your best to challenge it
从某种意义上说,这就是在退出
That, in a way, is opting out
这也让我感到困惑,
That confuses me too,
因为我不想用男性的方式解释
because I don't want to mansplain
或用白人的方式解释 - 是的 好吧
or whitesplain - Yeah Well, okay - or whitesplain - Yeah Well, okay
什么是,也许这很重要
What is,Maybe that's important
是的 - 转换话题 什么是"男性解释"?
Yeah - Segue What is "mansplain"?
嗯,这将是你向我解释
Well, it would be you explaining to me
为什么你刚才做的不是性别歧视?
either why what you just did wasn't sexism?
或者解释
Or explaining
我不认为是这样的
I don't think that's what it is
我认为"男性解释"是做出一个假设
I think "mansplain" is to make an assumption
以一种假设的方式说某事
To say something in an assuming way
你谈到了一个问题,呃
You talked about the problem of, uh
过度微笑的问题
of over-smiling
这
which
真的引起了我的共鸣
really resonated with me
有时对黑人微笑,
Sometimes smiling at a Black person,Sometimes smiling at a Black person
可能 可能是种族主义的
can can be racist
这是一个提醒 你知道
那些每天发生的千百次小伤害
It's a reminder You know, those thousand daily cuts
这是对你的地位的一个提醒
It's a reminder of your position
相对于那个人而言,对吧?
in relation to that other person, right?
因为那个人很可能知道
Because that person likely knows
我为什么对他们微笑
why I'm smiling at them
当我去杂货店时，
When I go to the grocery store,
我通常不会看任何人，
I don't really look at anybody,
我只是做自己的事
但如果我看到一个黑人，
I just do my thing, but I see a Black person,
我 我几乎会感到一种不可控的
I I feel almost an uncontrollable
紧迫感，想要向他们表明
sense of urgency to signal to them
我没问题，我不是种族主义者
that I'm okay, and that I'm not racist,
他们是受欢迎的
and that they're welcome
对于一个白人来说
正确的策略是否应该
Is it the right strategy to be
说："嘿，我只是要
for a white person to say,
在这种情况下像个正常人一样行事
"Well, hey, I'm just going to operate
我不会去想种族问题
"in this situation as a normal person
我不会注意到种族
"I'm not gonna think about race
我只把人看作人类"，这样行得通吗？
"I'm not gonna notice ",Just see people
这是否可行？
as human beings,Is that the way it works?
不，首先，你确实把他们看作黑人
Yeah, no First of all, you do see them as a Black person
你确实看到了。
我的意思是，我不会假装
You do I mean, I'm not gonna pretend
我没注意到杂货店里有个黑人
I don't notice that there's a Black person
在杂货店里 - 所以我们要注意种族，
in the grocery store - So we want to notice race,
但不要 不要太过注意
but not not too much
我们要诚实地承认我们确实
We want to be honest that we do
我们确实注意到种族
We do notice race
我们不注意它，不要关注它
We don't notice it,Don't focus on it
是的 好的 - 但要考虑到它
Yeah Okay - But think about it
但是
But
我的意思是，你注意到了
I mean, you notice it
稍微关注一下，但不要太多
Focus on it a little bit, but not too much
是的。你知道，这是一个平衡，对吧？
Yeah You know, there's a,It's a balance, right?
因为我听到，"忘记我是黑人
'Cause I hear,"forget that I'm Black
不要忘记我是黑人
"Don't forget that I'm Black
注意到 不要注意到
"Notice Don't notice
不要否认你是种族主义者
"Don't deny that you're racist
但也要努力不成为种族主义者
"But also try not to be racist
但不要 但也不要意识到你 "
"But don't But also don't realize that you "
这让我
It makes me
是的 - 这让我，呃
Yeah - It makes me, uh
对不起 我