玫瑰之名（2019）

威廉 不能再等了
William, we cannot wait any longer.
请回到你来的地方
Please, go back to the place you came from.
锁上门等我
Lock yourself in and wait for me.
不准任何人靠近医务室
Stop whoever goes near the infirmary.
我必须知道它们在哪儿
I need to know where they are!
安静
Keep quiet!
确保那些纸张是安全的
Make sure those papers are safe!
不能回它们的来处
They don't go back to where they came from!
我为昨天辩论时
And I apologize and beg forgiveness
参与了部分骚乱
for my part in the disturbance
表示致歉 乞求原谅
that occurred during yesterday's debate.
我也为自己说出的
I too ask forgiveness
那些冒犯你我灵魂的话
for what my mouth has said
乞求原谅
that offended your and my very soul.
现在我们的辩论可以得体地继续进行
Now that our debate can proceed in its proper spirit...
我邀请巴斯克维尔的威廉兄弟
...I invite brother William of Baskerville
展示那些给皇帝做顾问的
to express the position of those theologians
神学家的立场
who advise the Emperor.
我会简单给出零散评论
I will simply make some scattered observations
而我不认为这些评论是无可置疑的信条
which I do not claim to be articles of faith.
抱歉 今天空气太潮湿了
Excuse me, it's been a very... humid day.
我们的主已经将凌驾世上万物的权力
Our Lord has given to Adam and his descendants
赐予亚当及其后代
power over the things of this earth,
前提是他们遵循神圣律法
provided they obey the divine laws.
我们或许可由此推测 天主并不会反对
We might infer that the Lord also was not averse to the idea
对于尘世的事务
that in earthly things,
人♥民♥应该是立法者 也是制定律法的
the people should be legislator and effective first
首要动因
cause of the law.
所谓"人♥民♥"
By the terms "people,"
应该是指涉所有公民
it would be best to signify all citizens.
但既然是所有公民 那么儿童 白♥痴♥
But since among citizens, children must be included
还有坏人肯定也在其中
as well as idiots and malefactors,
或许将人♥民♥定义为
perhaps it would be reasonable to arrive
较好的那部分公民
at the definition of the people as the better...
更为合理
part of the citizens.
我不认为断言某个人
I do not think it opportune
是属于哪部分群体这种行为是恰当的
to assert who actually belongs to that part.
选出一部分代表
It seems sensible,
人♥民♥就能通过代表表达自己的意志
the way in which the people could express its will
这种想法看来是明智的
might be an elective general assembly,
因为假如律法是由一个人所制定
because if the law is made by one man alone,
他可能因忽视或恶意而造成伤害
he could do harm through ignorance or malice.
我们所有人都深有体会
All of us have experienced this.
基♥督♥来人间不是要发号♥施令
Christ did not come into this world to command.
而是要经历自己遭遇的一切
But to be subject to the conditions he found in the world.
祂不希望自己的使徒掌握管辖或统治权
He did not want his apostles to have command or dominion,
因此使徒的接♥班♥人
therefore it seemed a wise thing
也不应该依赖任何世俗权力
that the successors of the apostles
和强制的权力 这样做才是明智的
should be relieved of any worldly or coercive power.
这些做法
All this is no limitation
对教皇的至高权力
of the supreme powers of the Pontiff,
绝非限制 而是提升
but rather an exaltation of his powers:
因为神的奴仆们的奴仆
Because the servant of the servants of God
在世上是要侍奉 而不是接受侍奉
is on this earth to serve and not to be served.
我在这间房♥里 已经听到
I've heard, in this room,
有非常智慧的人作出断言
very wise people assert that it could not be proved
无法证明基♥督♥曾经贫穷
that Christ had been poor.
我倒认为把这个表达
Whence it seems to me more fitting
颠倒一下更合适
to reverse the demonstration.
耶稣不曾为自己或祂的使徒
Jesus sought no earthly jurisdiction
寻求尘世的管辖权
for himself and his disciples.
或者是否有人
Or does someone
想要说 耶稣是有这个打算
want to suggest the idea that he did wish it,
只不过在三年的讲道中
but lacked the time or the ability
都没有时间 或是没有能力去做
to say so in three years of preaching?
在我看来有充足证据
It seems to me sufficient evidence
支撑相反的结论
to suggest the belief that on the contrary,
即基♥督♥倾向于守贫
Christ preferred poverty.
倘若如此能言善辩的威廉兄弟
I would be very happy if Brother William,
能亲自去阿维尼翁请教廷评判他的观点
so skilled and eloquent in expounding his own ideas,
我会非常开心
were to submit them to the judgement of the Pontiff.
你已经说服了我 亲爱的贝尔纳德
You have convinced me, my lord Bernard.
我不会去的
I will not come.
这件亚麻薄袍影响了我的胸腔
This fluxion which is affecting my chest
使得我在这样的季节里
dissuades me from undertaking
无法经受长途之旅
such a long journey in this season.
那你这么长篇大论干吗
Then why did you speak at such length?
为了证实真理
To bear witness to the truth.
真理将使我们自♥由♥
The truth shall make us free.
我们在这里不是要讨论真理
Here we are not talking about the truth,
而是讨论应该有自♥由♥享有过度的自♥由♥
but excessive freedom that likes to set itself up to be free!
那也有可能
That is also possible.
抱歉
I beg your pardon,
但假如方济各修士选择要守贫
but if the Franciscans choose to remain poor,
没有人能够反对这种想法
no one can oppose this desire
这不过是一种美德
that is simply virtuous!
事实是 你们想把这种选择强加给整个教会
The fact is you want to impose it on the entire church.
兄弟们 这场讨论卓有成效
Brothers, it is possible that this profitable discussion
之后可以继续
may be resumed,
但目前有严重事件发生
but for the moment an event of tremendous gravity
在院长许可下
obliges us to suspend our session,
我们必须暂停
with the abbot's permission.
有事发生
Something has happened.
放开我
Let me go!
求您了 尊敬的院长 救救我
Please, Reverend Abbot! Save me!
怜悯我 您必须相信我
Have mercy! You must believe me.
我进来时塞韦里诺已经死了
Severinus was already dead when I came in.
我发誓
I swear it!
我这双眼睛
With my own eyes
亲眼看到塞韦里诺把自己反锁
I saw Severiunus lock himself inside
而雷米乔往角楼走去
while Remigio went towards the tower.
不是我
It was not me.
您瞧 我说了要逮捕食品总管
You see, I ordered the cellarer to be arrested.
他已经死了
He was already dead!
我们发现食品总管疯狂地
We discovered the cellarer frantically
在书架间翻找
rummaging through the shelves,
把所有东西都弄到地上
flinging everything on the floor.
很明显雷米乔进来后
It is evident that Remigio had entered,
袭击了塞韦里诺 并杀了他
attacked Severinus, killed him...
然后寻找令塞韦里诺丧生的东西
...and then was seeking the thing for which he had killed.
求求您 事情不是这样
I beg you, that is not the way it was!
不是这样
That is not the way!
瓦拉吉内的雷米乔
Remigio of Varagine.
我之前曾因别的指控
I had sent my men after you
派人前来逮捕你
on the basis of other accusations
也是为证实别的嫌疑
and to confirm other suspicions.
现在我发现自己做得很对
Now I see that I have acted properly.
只是我非常后悔 迟了一步
Although to my great regret, too late.
这最新一起罪行我承担全部责任
I hold myself virtually responsible for this latest crime,
因为从今早起我就确信
because I have known since this morning
这个人应该被逮捕入狱
that this man should be taken into custody!
尊敬的院长是否能提供一间
Will your magnificence put at my disposal
监禁这个人的房♥间
a room where this man may be confined?
铁匠铺的地下室有一些房♥间
We have some cells in the basement of the smithy
幸运的是 不怎么使用
which, fortunately, are very rarely used
已经空置好多年了
and have stood empty for years.
是幸运还是不幸
Fortunately or unfortunately?
马拉希亚 你发誓的 我也发誓了
Malachi, you swore, and I swore too!
我不会做任何伤害你的事 雷米乔
I will do nothing to harm you, Remigio.
去不会写字的院长墓前
At the tomb of Abbas Agraphicus.