神迹待证（2021）

I said, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense.
于是我又问了一遍 她又重复了一遍
So I asked her again and she repeated herself.
我说 你这话是什么意思？
I said "So what do you mean by that?"
她说 我必须奉耶稣的名
She says, "Well, I have to deny the symptoms
否定那些症状
in the name of Jesus.
当我否定那些症状时 我的医治就完成了
As I deny the symptoms, then my healing is complete."
当然 你可能暂时会感觉好一些
Now of course you might temporarily feel better.
迈克尔·舍默 哲学博士
科学史 《怀疑论者》杂♥志♥
你置身于这样一个大环境中
You know, you're in this big environment
有很多人 有音乐 还有吟唱
with a lot of people and music and chanting and singing.
这当然会让你精神振奋
And of course that's gonna lift you up
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and get your blood going.
也许有几个小时你会感觉好点
And you know, maybe for a couple hours you feel better.
但其实并没有得医治
But that isn't being healed.
你能举个你见过的 基于
Could you give me an example of something bad
信仰的人类行为导致不良后果的例子吗？
that you've seen come out of faith-based human practices?
比如死亡 就是个很好的例子
Death for example, that's a very good example.
我参加过葬礼
And I have been at funerals.
事实上 我上门拜访过一些人
I've actually knocked on doors of persons
他们同意见我并接受采访
who have agreed to see me and be interviewed
因为他们说自己得医治了
'cause they say they've been healed.
有一次门打开了
And had the door opened in one case,
他们用担架把那个人抬了出来
and they carried that person out on a stretcher.
这太难以置信了
I mean, it's incredible.
多年来 人们犯了许多错误
You know, there's a lot of mistakes that've been made
比尔·强生
伯特利教会
（译注：伯特利教会是加州雷丁市的一间灵恩派巨型教会，
因教导危险的神学和鼓吹神迹奇事等备受争议。）
有些是出于善意的人所为
through the years by sometimes well-meaning people,
有些纯粹是骗子犯下的
sometimes by just deceivers.
有时 人们因为沉迷于
What sometimes happens is people become addicted
侍奉上帝的祝福 而把焦点从仅仅做个
to the blessing of serving God and turn their attention
谦卑的仆人 转移到成为一个
from just staying a humble servant to becoming
为自己积蓄的人之上
the person who accumulates.
但我请你们
But I'm asking you
用今晚所能拿出的最珍贵的奉献
to prove God with whatever the largest offering
来向上帝证明
that you have tonight.
上帝已经向50人说话 要他们立下奉献100元的
God's spoken to 50 people to give a hundred dollar
信仰誓言 尽你所能地支付 付吧
vow of of faith, and pay it as you can, just pay it.
[解说员] 更多人让人们把巨额的神迹资金
[Announcer] More have had huge sums of miracle money
超自然地转入他们的账户
transferred into their accounts, supernaturally.
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随着人们使用神迹泉水
As people have used the Miracle Spring Water,
我们见证了债务免除 购买♥♥新房♥和新车
we've seen debt cancellation, new homes, new cars.
跟我说说你揭穿彼得·波波夫的故事吧
So tell me the story about your run in with Peter Popoff.
我乔装打扮去参加彼得·波波夫的聚会
So I went in disguise to a Peter Popoff meeting.
我坐在那里 赞美上帝和耶稣
And I sat there and I praised God and Jesus
还有其他人和所有天使长
and everybody else and all the archangels.
我完美地混迹其中
And I fitted in beautifully.
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Lord let this anointing and power
在我们姐妹身上流通吧
flow through our sister now.
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[詹姆斯] 他会让他们站起来
[James] He would ask them to stand
赞美耶稣 等等
and praise Jesus, et cetera.
然后他会触摸他们的额头
And then he would touch them on the forehead
然后他们回到自己的座位上
and they'd go back into their chairs.
然后他会宣布他们得医治了 然后走开
And he'd declare them to be healed and walk away.
我的一个助手 当他接近彼得·波波夫时
One of my assistants, when he got upclose to Peter Popoff,
他正戴着耳机
he was wearing a hearing aid.
但是那耳机非常小
But the earpiece was very small
而且在他耳朵里面很深的位置
and was very far inside his ear.
所以我们找了一个人带着无线电扫描仪过来
So we had a fellow come along with a radio scanner
他接收到了频率
and he picked up what the frequency was.
我们很快就发现
And pretty soon we were tapped in on the fact
他的妻子正从另一个房♥间对他说话
that his wife was talking to him from another room.
她已经提前调查好了观众的情况
And that she had already researched the audience
而且四处打听到了
in advance and gone around and gotten
他们的名字和疾病
names and diseases from people.
甚至有些人的名字和住址都有
And names and addresses in some cases.
乔迪·迪恩 乔迪·迪恩
乔迪·迪恩 乔迪·迪恩
Jodi Dean, Jodi Dean.
不 她应该就在你的右边
好的 她住在马斯特森4267号♥
马斯特森4267号♥ 我能看见
4267 Masterson, I can see
你家有上帝的使者围绕
the angels of God all around your house.
你看到它的时候会感到不安
That's disturbing when you see it.
[伊莱贾] 那这些年来你遇到的
[Elijah] So all these healing ministers
所有信仰治疗师中
that you've encountered over the years,
有没有人能够向你证明
have any of them ever been able to prove to you
有神迹发生？
that a miracle is taking place?
我87岁了 这类事情
At 87 years of age, I've been through a lot
经历过很多了 我让他们拿出
of this sort of thing, and I've asked them to produce
确凿证据 他们只会念叨证据 证据 证据
their proof and they merely said proof, proof, proof.
总是说证据 证据 证据
It's always proof, proof, proof.
对 总是说证据 证据 证据
Yes. It is always proof, proof, proof.
我需要实据 才能相信
It is evidence that I require in order to accept
任何事真实不虚
anything as being the real thing.
[比尔] 我很遗憾 有人会被自称是
[Bill] I am so sorry that anybody would ever be tricked
福音的仆人的人欺骗
by somebody who says they're a minister of the gospel.
但我们周围有足够多真正的牧者
But there's enough of the authentic around
你不必从那些试图敲诈
that you don't have to feed from the ones
羊群的人那里得到喂养
that are trying to fleece the sheep, you know.
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[传教士] 荣耀 哈利路亚 感谢你主耶稣
[Preacher] Glory, hallelujah, thank you Lord Jesus.
田纳西州 查塔努加
[伊莱贾] 高中毕业后 我去了查塔努加
[Elijah] After high school, I went to Chattanooga
上了一所名叫圣约学院的小型基♥督♥教学院
to attend a small Christian college called Covenant College.
圣约学院
基♥督♥在凡事上居首位
我主修心理学和哲学双学位
I double majored in psychology and philosophy.
在圣约的时候 我们学会了用心智 而不仅仅
At Covenant we learned to love God with our minds
是心灵去爱上帝
and not just with our hearts.
我被教导说 如果我声称某件事是真的
And I was taught that if I claimed something was true,
我就需要证据
I needed evidence for it.
我被教导要问尖锐的问题
I was taught to ask the hard questions.
良善的上帝怎么会允许苦难发生呢？
How could a good God allow suffering?
圣经精确地记录了历史吗？
Was the Bible historically accurate?
其他宗教呢？
What about other religions?
我开始怀疑自己在青少年时期的归信
And I started to wonder if my conversion as a teenager
真的是上帝在动工 还是只是心理作用
was really God or just something psychological.
多年来 我一直没有意识到 三部福音书中
I wasn't aware of for years that nearly one half
温约翰
葡萄园教会奠基人
（译注：温约翰是第三波灵恩运动的代表人物）
有将近一半的篇幅都是
of three of the gospels were dedicated
以医治为主题的
to the subject of healing.
新约中超过40%的内容都是关于医治的
That over 40% of the New Testament deals with healing.
圣经里充满医治 但没人告诉过我
The Bible is full of healing, but no one ever told me.
所以我读经的时候就不曾注意过它
And so I read it as though it was not there.
[伊莱贾] 对于神迹
[Elijah] I was still a skeptic
我当时仍然持怀疑态度
when it came to the miraculous.
但后来我看了温约翰的一本书
But then I found myself reading a book by John Wimber.
他神学扎实 相信现代神迹
He was theologically sound and believed
并且亲眼目睹过
in modern miracles and saw them.
我就想 我愿意对这类事情
And I'm like, I'm willing to open myself up
持开放态度
to something like this.
艾莉森·史蒂芬斯
大学毕业后 我和艾莉森结婚了
After college, Alison and I got married
我们加入了葡萄园教会
and we joined the Vineyard church.
加入葡萄园几年后 我和巴基
Bucky and I became friends a few years after
巴基·巴克尔斯
成为了朋友
I joined the Vineyard
后来我还在他手下服侍
and then eventually I went to go work for him.
我看到了很多我认为基♥督♥徒
I was seeing lots of things that I think Christians
会归类为神迹 我觉得也是神迹的事情
would classify as miracles, I felt were miracles.