神迹待证（2021）

seeing the love of God to this woman.
我向这个肩膀上所有的疼痛说话
And I speak to all pain in this shoulder.
我奉耶稣的名吩咐它离开
And I command it to leave in Jesus name.
疼痛消失了吗？
Is the pain gone?
你觉得怎样？
What do you think?
可能吧
好棒
Yes.
你们祷告的时候 我感受到刺痛般的温暖
不可思议
Oh incredible.
[加布里埃尔] 你有感觉好点吗？
[Gabriel] You feel any better?
很疼 -[加布里埃尔] 所以现在你的左脚很疼？
It's hurting. -[Gabriel] So your left foot is hurting now?
[艾米] 我们能为此祷告吗？
[Amy] Can we pray for that?
有什么不一样的感觉吗？
Do you feel anything happening?
我觉得它变直了
[约翰] 对于那些到处看见祷告
[John] When it comes to people who see miracles
蒙应允的神迹的人来说
that were answered prayers everywhere,
他们其实是受到自己
they are being affected by something
约翰·洛夫特斯 神学硕士
《反对神迹的理由》作者
还不知道的因素的影响
they don't know about yet.
这被称为“证实偏差”
And it's called confirmation bias.
作为人类 我们喜欢寻求证实
We as human beings love to seek confirmation
我们已有的信念 这一点已经得到证实
of what we already believe. It's just been proven.
我们所有人都会如此
That's what we do, all of us.
所以我们都需要为我们想要
So what we all need to do is look for objective evidence
相信的事物寻找客观证据
for that which we want to believe.
[伊莱贾] 你觉得你的胳膊有什么变化？
[Elijah] What do you feel happened in your arm?
我不太确定 因为我不会说
I don't know for sure 'cause I wouldn't say
自己持怀疑态度 但疼痛已经有很长时间了
I'm skeptical but it's here for so long.
我愿意接受帮助
I just, I would like help.
[伊莱贾] 你有任何医学证据
[Elijah] Do you have any medical evidence
证明那个女孩已经痊愈了吗？
for that girl that was healed?
没有
No.
你有任何医学证据证明这件事发生过吗？
Do you have any medical evidence of this event occurring?
完全没有
None whatsoever.
[凯伦] 这些人住在贫民窟
[Karen] I mean, these are people who are in the slums.
他们没有经济能力去
Like they do not have the finances to go
获取这个神迹的医学证明
and get medical documentation of this miracle.
为什么你认为摄像机开着的时候
Why do you think the miracles don't happen
神迹不会发生？
when the cameras are on?
那个肩袖得医治的人怎么说？
What about the guy that had his rotator cuff healed?
[凯伦] 是的 那是个神迹
[Karen] Yeah that was a miracle, yeah.
[丹尼尔] 那个腿部力量
[Daniel] What about the girl who got
恢复了的女孩呢？
strength back in her leg?
在我看来 这些都是神迹
Within my perspective those are miracles.
[迈克尔] 神迹是不存在的
[Michael] Miracles don't happen.
当你从科学的角度仔细研究
The moment you investigate them carefully
迈克尔·舍默 哲学博士
科学史 《怀疑论者》杂♥志♥
它们的时候 它们就会被解开
from a scientific perspective, they unravel.
所以 要持非常怀疑的态度
And so be very skeptical.
佐治亚州 弗洛里布兰奇
[伊莱贾] 我是80年代在乔治亚州的弗洛里布兰奇长大的
[Elijah] I grew up in Flowery Branch, Georgia in the '80s.
小时候我经常在外面玩
When I was a kid, I used to play outside a lot.
我喜欢棒球 我喜欢篮球
I loved baseball. I loved basketball.
我在一个基♥督♥徒家庭长大
I grew up in a Christian home.
伊莱贾·史蒂芬斯
我祖父是长老会教会的长老
My grandfather was an elder at a Presbyterian church.
所以我们一直有去教堂
And so we went to church all the time.
我爸爸工作很忙
My dad worked a lot.
他人很好 喜欢钓鱼 打猎
He was a good guy, loved to fish, hunt,
比较安静
kind of quieter.
我妈妈会给我读圣经
My mom read the Bible to me.
她在圣经学校教课
She taught Bible school.
她也会打我 一打就是几个小时
And she also beat me for hours at a time.
她会用皮带和山核桃木棍抽我
She would whip me with belts and hickories
这种事并不少见
which isn't uncommon.
后来情况变得很疯狂
It's just, it went to crazy mode.
她会让我们擦窗户
She would have us like cleaning the windows.
要是窗户上有个污点 她就会打我
And if there was one spot on them she would like
打好几个小时
for hours, beat me.
血就会顺着我的腿往下滴
The blood would just be dripping down my legs.
我记得自己躺在床上
I remember just like laying in my bed,
祈求上帝杀了我 杀了我或者杀了她
praying like God kill me, like kill me or kill her.
我不想活了
Like I do not wanna live anymore.
太痛苦了
This is miserable.
但什么也没发生
And nothing happened.
上帝 你在哪里？
Where are you at, God?
你为什么不关心
Why do you not care about children
被这样殴打的孩子？
that are being beat like this?
这真的让我怀疑上帝的存在
And it really made me doubt God's existence.
我会想 难道基♥督♥教只是
Like is this Christianity thing
人们为了让孩子乖巧
just a fairy tale that people have made up
而编造的童话故事？
in order to make kids be good?
或者是让老人对死亡感到欣慰？
Or make old people feel good about dying?
有天晚上 在教会的营会里
One night at then the church camp
所有人都在外面唱歌♥
everybody's outside singing.
我就对上帝说 如果你是真实的 请用我能清楚
I'm like, God, if you're real, show me in a way
知道的方式向我显明
that I know that I know.
突然间 我开始感受到上帝的同在
All of a sudden I began to feel the presence of God.
那种感觉就像
And it just felt like
上帝是圣洁的 而我不圣洁
God is Holy and I am not Holy.
我就想起在圣经学校听过的
And I remembered the "come to Jesus" talks I'd heard
“到耶稣这里来”的话 他们会说
in Bible school where they're like,
耶稣是唯一的救赎之道
Jesus is the only way to salvation.
你必须信靠祂
And you have to believe in him
你的罪才得赦免
for the forgiveness of your sins.
所以那天晚上我把我的生命献给了耶稣
And so I gave my life to Jesus that night
之后我就感到了平安
and I felt peace afterwards.
我12岁的时候 我妈妈得了一种叫
When I was about 12, my mom got a disease
多肌炎的病
called polymyositis.
[传教士] 我相信耶稣死了
[Preacher] I believe that Jesus died-
[伊莱贾] 电视上有个信仰治疗师
[Elijah] There's this faith healer comes on TV.
他说
And he says,
如果你给我钱 上帝就会医治你
"If you give me money, God will heal you."
我一个十二三岁的孩子都知道那是假话
I'm a 12 or 13 year old kid and I know that's crap.
所以我就起身走出了房♥间
And so I just kinda get up out of the room and walk out.
几周后 我看到了那个组织寄来的收据
A few weeks later, I see a receipt from that organization.
金额有一千多块钱
And I want to say it was for over a thousand dollars.
我就知道我妈妈
And I knew my mom had just been conned
被这些人骗了
by one of these people.
这让我觉得 今天任何形式的医治
And so that made me think any type of healing
一定都是骗术
has to be con-artistry today.
[迈克尔] 我都77岁了
[Michael] Why at 77 years old,
作为一个从小在贵格会家庭中长大
as somebody who was brought up as a Quaker,
曾经非常虔诚的基♥督♥徒 我在22 23岁时
very intense Christian who lost his faith
就失去了信仰 为什么我现在还是无法
when he was 23, 22, why am I not getting on side
迈克尔·鲁斯 哲学博士
科学哲学
认同那个
with the you know,
“天上的伟大哲学家”呢？
the great philosopher in the sky?
我为什么不给自己留条后路呢？
Why don't I cover my options?
我认为有很多原因
Well, I think there are a number of reasons.
老生常谈的是关于邪恶的问题
The trite ones are the problem of evil.
我是说 怎么会有一位神允许
I mean, how could any kind of God allow
安妮·弗兰克在集中营里痛苦地死去？
Anne Frank to die in agony in Bergen-Belsen?
除此之外 尤其是对基♥督♥教
My problem more than that, is I have a lot of trouble,
对上帝这个概念的
particularly with Christianity,
整体一致性 我实在难以接受
with just the general coherence of the notion of God.
因为犹太人的神是个人格化的存在
'Cause the God of the Jews is a person.
而哲学家的神
Whereas of course the god of the philosophers
当然不是
is not a person.
和许多人一样 我也对
I also have trouble as many do,
不同的宗教感到困扰
with the different religions.
我非常不能接受
I find it very, very difficult to say
一位美国著名的布道家
that one of the well known evangelists in America