弗林（2024）

因为有人决心要毁了你，这些都是非常艰难的事情。
But again, it comes back to like why, you know,
why people are mad about this story.
但是，这又回到了为什么，你知道，为什么人们对这个故事，如此疯狂。
Why I'm mad about this story.Why it hurt...
为什么我会对这样的故事着迷。为什么它伤害了...
Why it was painful for other families to watch too,
为什么其他家庭看到这一幕也很痛苦，
to imagine what it was like for his family to, um,
想象一下他的家人，
to be targeted by these animals like that.
成为这些“畜生们”的目标，是什么感觉。
They disparaged him as much as they possibly could in the media.
他们在媒体上，尽可能地贬低他。（杰克.弗林，兄弟）
It was all bullshit.It was all bullshit.
都是扯淡。都是扯淡。
And we were sitting there as family going,
我们一家人坐在一起说，
"Michael fucking has a girlfriend,
and get to hear he had an affair with some Russian girl?"
“迈克尔他妈有女朋友了，还听说，他和一个俄♥罗♥斯♥女孩有一腿？”
I called her up.I called her up.
我给她打了电♥话♥。我给她打了电♥话♥。
I said, "Hey, tell me about your relationship with my brother Mike.
我说:“嘿，跟我说说,你和我哥哥迈克的关系。
You're in trouble here.You name is all over the place."
你有麻烦了。到处都是你的名字。”
We kind of endeared ourselves to her.
我们挺喜欢她的。
I wanted to find out.Lori needed to know.
我想知道。洛莉需要知道。
They were saying stuff about Michael that he had an affair.
She knew it wasn't true.
他们说迈克尔有外遇。她知道这不是真的。
But how do you think she felt when she had to go see her mother
and they read it in the paper?
但你觉得，当她不得不去看她妈妈，而他们在报纸上读到的时候，她是什么感觉?
They didn't give a shit about how he felt
or how that affected his family.
他们根本不在乎他的感受，也不在乎这对他的家人有什么影响。
Obama and Biden did not want General Flynn
奥巴马和拜登不希望弗林将军
giving them a proctology exam without any kind of anesthesia.
在没有任何麻醉的情况下，给他们做“直肠检查”。
I've said that I'm surprised that they haven't killed me,
surprised that they've let me continue to live.
我说过，我很惊讶，他们没有杀了我，很惊讶他们让我继续活下去。
Um...
嗯...
Maybe they feel like they've done enough damage to where,
也许，他们觉得，他们已经造成了足够多的伤害，
no matter whenever I pop my head up,
wherever I'm at,they can just kind of go,
不管我什么时候抬头，不管我在哪里，他们都会说，
"Oh, that's the conspiracy theorist.
He's done this. He's done that."
“哦，那是阴谋论者。他干了那些。他干成了那些。”
And I know that there's an entire movement of people,
而我知道，那里有一整场“人♥民♥运动”，
an organization, that they--their sole purpose in life
is to make sure no matter what I do,
有一个组织，他们生命中唯一的目的，就是确保无论我做什么，
to find a way to show it in a dark light.
都能找到一种方式，在黑暗中找到光明。
You know, we've gone from the physical assassination
of a president of the United States
你知道，我们已经经历了从对美国总统的人身攻击，
to a character assassination of a National Security Advisor.
发展到对国♥家♥安♥全♥顾问的人格攻击。
General Flynn had a private company
he formed with his son and a business partner.
弗林将军与他的儿子，还有一个商业伙伴，成立了一家私人公♥司♥。
They were engaged by a private citizen in Turkey
to do some work on behalf of this private businessman.
他们受土耳其的一位普通公民的委托，代表这位普通商人做一些工作。
So there was no need to report this
所以没有必要报道这件事，
(特瑞莎.比恩兹，调查记者)
because the private businessman was not working
on behalf of the Turkish government.
因为这位私营商人，并没有代表土耳其政♥府♥工作。
Did not receive any money from the Turkish government,
没有从土耳其政♥府♥那里得到一分钱，
wasn't working with the Turkish government at all.
根本没有和土耳其政♥府♥合作
This was a private businessman
engaging the Flynn Intel Group to do a job for him.
这是一个私人商人，让弗林情报集团为他做事。
（《外国代理人登记法》要求公开披露与外国政♥府♥的商业关系。
该法是二战背景下，通过的一项法律，旨在防止国外势力渗透美国，
并监督外国公♥司♥和组织在美国从事的政♥治♥活动。）
All the talk was aboutFARA violations, Logan Act violations.
所有的讨论，都是违反了FARA，违反了《罗甘法案》。
（1799年美、法之间的外交协商导致该法）
I mean, lots of crazy,far-fetched laws
that had either never been enforced,
我的意思是，有很多疯狂、牵强的法律，要么从未执行过，
or were rarely enforced, and if enforced, they were like
a slap on the wrist type of, type of thing,
或者很少被执行，如果被执行，它们就像与“口头警告”，类似的事情，
not some multi-year,multi-pronged investigation.
而不是跨年度的，多管齐下的调查。
(德温.努涅斯，前众议院，前众议院情报委员会主席)
This Laufman guy who's running this FARA office,
有个叫劳夫曼的人，他在“外国代理登记法案”办公室工作，
（芭芭拉.瑞吉盖特，迈克的姐妹，“合法辩护”组织头目）
they send a letter to Mike saying,
hey, you need to fill out this FARA form.
他给迈克写了封信说，嘿，你需要填写这张《外国代理登记法案》的表格。
So, he didn't have to fill out a FARA form at all
because he wasn't working for the Turkish government.
所以，他根本不需要填写FARA表格，因为他不是为土耳其政♥府♥工作。
He was working for a Turkish businessman.
他为一个土耳其商人工作。
He's got a lawyer at the time.
他当时有个律师。
She says, "Well, the number one FARA filing office
in the country is this Covington & Burling."
她说:“嗯，全国最大的FARA申报办公室，是卡温顿-伯林事务所。”
You know, you figure,"Ah, I really don't need to do this,
你知道，你会想，“啊，我真的不需要这么做，
but I'm going to consult these attorneys
to see if I really need to file."
但我要咨♥询♥一下这些律师，看看我是否真的需要提交文件。”
And they say, "You know what,just to be on the safe side, file."
他们说:“你知道吗，为了安全起见，还是在政♥府♥备个案吧。”
You're filling out an application and you know, Covington Burling,
你在填写申请表，你知道，科文顿-伯林事务所，
the number one FARA filing law firm in the country,
is filling it out.
全国排名第一的联邦FARA法案申报律师事务所，正在填写申请表。
Okay, we're in good shape, right?
好吧，我们这样做，没错吧?
So, um, but how did they blitz him with this
所以，嗯，但是他们是多么想用，“违反FARA的行为”罪名来“突袭”他，
FARA violation because they come back
and they start adding that,well, it wasn't a violation.
因为他们翻回头来，他们开始添由加醋，那么，这当时就不是违反。
They just put the wording into as many documents as they could.
他们只是把措辞，放进尽可能多的文件里。
They would have some fishy line about FARA.
他们让《外国代理登记法案》有一些模棱两可的说法。
What that did was,that let the media take the term FARA,
which is Foreign Agent Registration Act,
这样做的结果是，让媒体用FARA这个词，也就是《外国代理人登记法案》，
and just call him a foreign agent.
称他为“外国代理人”。
So now he gets blitzed,and he's a foreign spy.
现在他被突袭了，他成了外国间谍。
He's another spy, you know,he's a Russian spy,
he's a Turkish spy.
他是另一个间谍，他不但是俄♥罗♥斯♥间谍，他还是土耳其间谍。
He's all, he's all kinds of spies, you know?
他，他是各种间谍，你们知道吗？
There are so many people who are collateral damage
that's-- whose storiesare so intricate,
有很多人都是附带伤害，他们的故事如此错综复杂，
that if you can't get people to understand this big story
如果你不能让人们去了解关于弗林将军的
of General Flynn, how in--how ever would you be able to
get them to understand the intricacies?
大故事背景，你怎么能让他们理解这些错综复杂的事情呢?
So, again,at the end of the day,
the Flynn Intel Group was retained to do business
所以，最后，弗林情报集团得以保存下来，
for someone who was not attached to the Turkish government at all.
被认为是，与一个与土耳其政♥府♥毫无关系的人做生意。
And they lied and said he was.
他们虽然撒了谎，但也得这么说。
They are smart again, right?They're going to take out
the number-one military intelligence
他们又聪明了，对吧?他们要除掉我们国家的头号♥军事情报官员，
officer of our country,the National Security Advisor
who's about to find out everything.
这位官员将出任国♥家♥安♥全♥顾问，他即将查出一切。
What do we do now?
我们现在该怎么办?
Let's go after his son.
从他儿子“开刀”。
Was there anything more significant
on this timeline to you, Dad,than anything else, or...?
对你来说，这条时间线上还有什么比别的更重要的吗？ 老爹，还是...
[exhales] You know.
[叹气声] 这你懂的。
I mean, for me...
我是说，对于我...
it's that.Yeah.
就是这样。是的。
That's the, if there's one thing that I think about,
you know, more than-- Yeah.
这就是，如果有一件事我一直在想的话，你知道，甚至...是的。
That, that's the meeting where they conspired to
basically undermine the presidency of the United States of America.
在那次会议上，他们合谋，差不多破坏了美国总统的任期。
We live in a time right now
where more than any other time in American history...
我们现在生活的时代，比美国历史上任何时候都更...
（杰西.宾奈尔，律师，合法辩护团队共同负责人）
the government,investigative agencies,
政♥府♥和调查机构，
especially the FBI and the Department of Justice,
have been weaponized against the American people.
尤其是联邦调查局和司法部，已经被武装起来，对付美国人♥民♥。
When did it dawn on you that Michael would be a target?
你什么时候意识到，迈克尔会成为目标的?
Probably by the middle of the summer,I started to feel that,
because the FBI is knocking on his door.
大概是在仲夏的时候，我开始有这种感觉，因为联邦调查局正在敲他的门。
This is when I--I had a really difficult time being able to communicate.
这是我...我有一段很难“交流信息”的时期。
We had to communicate through a lawyer,so I can't even talk to my son.
我们必须通过律师沟通，所以我甚至不能和我儿子说话。
Whose advice is that? - My lawyers at the time.
-这是谁的建议？ -那个时期的我的律师。
Looking back, it was,it was horrific.
现在回想起来，真是太可怕了。
And then, all of a sudden,there was--
started to be newspaper articles coming out
然后，突然之间，报纸上开始出现一些文章，
（米勒报告称已掌握足够证据，逮捕迈克尔.弗林和他的儿子）
that the Department of Justice is starting to look harder at,
at General Flynn's son, Michael.
司法部开始更加仔细地调查弗林将军的儿子迈克尔。
（迈克尔会认罪并合作保护他的儿子吗?）
My team of lawyers was, was,
was represented by a gigantic law firm, one of,
我的律师团队是由一家巨大的律师事务所代理的，
they call them the white-shoe law firms in Washington, DC,
Covington & Burling,
他们称之为华盛顿特区的特权阶层的律师事务所之一，“考文顿和伯林”，
and you really do feel like they have your best interests at heart.
你真的会觉得，他们把你的最大利益放在心上。
You know, they come across as, as professionals.
你知道，他们给人的印象是专业人士。
And man, was I wrong.
天啊，我犯傻了。
A moment of,of misjudgment on my part.
那是我判断失误的一刻。
That's all part of that Washington, DC, establishment.
这些都是华盛顿特区权势集团的一部分。
You're looking at 25 years and about a half a dozen felonies.
你将面临25年监禁和6项重罪。
Okay. And they're gonna go after your son.
好吧。他们会去找你儿子的。
And I'm like, "You gotta be shitting me. For what?"
我说"你在糊弄我吧。为了什么?”
And I'm sitting there,height of the,
of the Mueller investigation.It's really just kicking in.
我坐在那里，正处于穆勒调查的高♥潮♥。这真的是开始了。
There's nobody around, okay;who I had was my family.
周围没有人(关心我)，我只有我的家人。
I didn't have big media stars.
我没有大的媒体明星（挺我）。
I didn't have big political stars.
我没有大的政♥治♥明星（挺我）。
I didn't have the White House.
我没有得到，来自白宫的支持。
We're already into our house being sold.
我们的房♥子已经在卖♥♥了。
We're already into an ungodly amount of money that was--