制造杀人犯（2015）

制♥造♥凶手
第二季 第二集
马尼托沃克县
2010年1月15日
布兰登裁后动议聆讯的
第一天
史蒂文·德利岑
布兰登的裁后律师
辩方传召第一位证人肯尼斯·克拉兹
As our first witness, the defense calls Kenneth Kratz.
你是否庄严宣誓
Do you solemnly swear that
你保证在本庭就本次案件所作的证词
the testimony you shall give before the court is the truth,
句句属实 绝无虚言
and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
我发誓
Yes.
请坐
Be seated.
克拉兹先生 当你决定
Mr. Kratz, at the time that you made a decision
起诉埃弗里先生谋杀时
to charge Mr. Avery with the homicide in this case,
你并不知道
you did not know exactly
特瑞莎·海尔贝克的尸体被焚烧前
what had happened to Teresa Halbach
她究竟发生了什么事 是吗
prior to the time that her body had been burned, correct?
凯伦·海尔贝克
特瑞莎的母亲
-没错 -好的
- I think that's fair. - OK.
并且当你
And at the time that you
就特瑞莎·海尔贝克被杀一案
filed criminal charges against Steven Avery
对史蒂文·埃弗里提出谋杀指控时
for the murder of Teresa Halbach,
芭芭·塔迪克
布兰登的母亲
你并没有充足的证据
you did not have sufficient evidence
证明埃弗里先生的性侵指控 是吗
to support sexual assault charges against Mr. Avery, correct?
-是的 -好的
- That's true. - OK.
能不能这么说 直到3月1日
And so, would it be fair to say that you did not get a narrative
布兰登·戴西给出陈述前 你并没有掌握
of Teresa Halbach's final hours, if you will,
麦克·海尔贝克
特瑞莎的弟弟
任何关于特瑞莎·海尔贝克临终时的事实经过
until Brendan Dassey gave a statement on March 1?
当时他是本刑事案件中
That was the first individual
第一位就所发生的情况
who was involved in the criminal enterprise
给出叙事性描述的涉案人员
to give me a narrative of what had happened.
罪证鉴定室的工作人员可提供当时的记录
Narrative can be provided by crime lab personnel...
"实物证据证明
"Here's what the physical evidence suggests,
首先发生了这个 然后..."
and this came first, and--"
但是早于 早于...
But prior to the time... prior to--
别着急 一次一个问题
Hang on here. One at a time.
接着回答
Finish your answer.
好 我收到了参与本案的法医的
Right. I had received a narrative in that respect
布赖恩·戴西
布兰登的哥哥
一份叙述性的报告
from the forensic scientists that were involved.
鲍比·戴西
布兰登的哥哥
你掌握了一些证据
You had some evidence,
和来自多个鉴证室的工作人员的报告
you were getting some reports from various crime lab people,
但在布兰登·戴西
but there were significant gaps
把他的陈述给你前
in the narrative that were filled in
你手上的事件经过有巨大空缺
only when Brendan Dassey's statement was presented to you.
我想是的
I think that's fair.
克拉兹先生 为了
Mr. Kratz, in order to
使史蒂文·埃弗里的一级谋杀罪罪名成立
convict Steven Avery of first-degree murder,
你是否需要布兰登·戴西的证词
did you need the testimony of Brendan Dassey to do that?
汤姆·法♥伦♥
助理检察长
不 史蒂文·埃弗里的庭审中未出现这份材料
No. It wasn't offered at Steven Avery's trial.
能不能这么说
Would it be fair to say
戴西先生证词的唯一作用是
that the only benefit to Mr. Dassey's testimony
为侵犯 绑♥架♥和非法监禁
would have been to support the charges of sexual assault,
这三个罪名提供了证据
kidnapping and false imprisonment?
不 我认为还有别的作用
No. I think there were side benefits.
如果我们不从
If we felt less comfortable trying this case
法医学的角度来审此案
from a forensic science standpoint
而是
rather than a,
通过证人陈述或同案被告陈述来审案
statement of witnesses or codefendant statement,
那份陈述肯定会是证据之一
that certainly would have had a collateral benefit.
但是
Having said that,
正如您和其他人所知
as you and probably everybody now knows,
我们选择使用
we chose to try the Avery case
间接法医证据来审理埃弗里案
very much as a circumstantial forensic science case.
早上好 很高兴见到你
Morning. Good to see you.
坐下吧 布兰登
Why don't you just have a seat, Brendan?
汤姆和我出去一会
Tom and I have to step out for a minute,
我们很快就进来 好吗
and then we'll be right in, OK?
-好 -好
- OK. - Alright.
史蒂文·埃弗里的律师们与我们的任务不同
Steven Avery's attorneys face a different task than us.
史蒂文·埃弗里的案子
The case against Steven Avery
有许多法医学证据
is a case that's built on forensics,
血检证据 以及其他类似的东西
on blood evidence, on things like that.
汽水 水 你确定吗
Soda? Water? You sure?
-还是给我瓶水吧 -好
- Well, water maybe. - OK.
布兰登·戴西的案子中
The case against Brendan Dassey,
没有任何科学证据证明他与罪案有关
there's no scientific evidence pinning him to this crime.
布兰登·戴西的案子只有证词
The case against Brendan Dassey is words, and words only.
劳拉·尼莱德
布兰登的裁后律师
西北大学 普里茨克法学院
虚假供述 现实还是谎言
为什么会有人供认一项自己没犯的罪
Why would someone falsely confess to a crime they didn't commit,
尤其是像此案这样恐怖的案件
especially one as horrific as this crime?
事实上有很多机构
The reality is that the work of organizations
诸如冤假错案中心和昭雪计划
like the Center on Wrongful Convictions and the Innocence Project
揭露了许多已被证实的虚假供述
have uncovered hundreds of proven false confessions.
事实上 谋杀案
In fact, in murder cases,
凶杀案 如海尔贝克小姐一案
homicide cases, like Miss Halbach's case,
虚假共识是最常见的
we know that false confessions are actually the most common cause
冤假错案的原因
of wrongful convictions.
我们快速地再过一次
I just wanted to go over this real quick again.
你记得这些权利吧
Do you remember these rights,
-我之前给你读过的米兰达权利 -记得
- your Miranda rights I read you? - Yeah.
-你仍然愿意跟我们谈吗 -愿意
- You still want to talk to us? -Yeah.
好的 我就确认一下
OK. Just wanted to make sure of that.
如果你认为你的当事人
If you believe that your client
在录像中的供述是虚假的
has falsely confessed on videotape,
你不仅仅要为此争辩
it's not enough to simply argue that.
你要去拥抱那个录像带
You have to embrace that tape.
史蒂文·德利岑
布兰登的裁后律师
你必须把那盘录影
You have to accept that tape
当成证明你客户清白的最好证据
as the best proof of your client's innocence.
劳拉和史蒂文利用布兰登的案子教育大众
虚假供述的原因和如何避免
今天我们想谈谈
We want to talk today about the three errors that occur
在警方调查中
during police investigation
可能会导致虚假供述的三个错误
that can cause false confessions to happen.
三条通往虚假供述之路
误判错误 "为什么警♥察♥会怀疑被告"
胁迫错误 "被告是怎么被说服认罪的"
污染错误 "被告怎么知道要说什么"
第一项是误判错误
The first one is the misclassification error.
警官们有时会对某人是否在撒谎
Officers making wrong assumptions about
延伸到是否有罪
whether somebody is lying
作出错误的判断
and therefore guilty.
警♥察♥会接受培训
Police are trained to watch
观察人们如何回答问题
the ways in which people answer questions,
解读他们的肢体语言
to read their body language,
留意他们的用词
to notice their choice of words.
这被称为"行为分♥析♥"
This is what's referred to as "Behavioral analysis."
只需接受相关训练
And all it takes is proper training for a police officer
警官就能成为测谎仪
to turn into a human lie detector.
你要诚实
Be honest.
因为我们能分辨出你是否在撒谎
Because we're gonna be able to tell when you're not being honest.
我现在就告诉你
I'm telling you that right now.
所以你当时正在路上走...
So you're walking down the road...
这是一份
This is a handout that is used
误判错误
约翰·E·里德联合公♥司♥使用的讲义
by a company called John E. Reid & Associates.
他们发明了现今美国
They developed the most widely used
应用最广泛的审问技巧
interrogation technique in the country.
布兰登一案中的误判错误
这张幻灯片展示了
This is the slide of characteristics