金属进化：重金属音乐发展史（2011）

**音乐**
* Music *
山姆·邓恩：回到我们拍摄“金属：头班格之旅”的时候
Sam Dunn: Back when we did 'Metal: A Headbanger's Journey'
我们创造了这个庞大的金属24子流派族谱，
we created this gigantic 24 sub-genre family tree of Metal,
我们把垃圾也包括在内，所以我们在某种程度上承诺了自己
we included grunge so we kind of committed ourselves
这个观点认为垃圾是重金属故事的一部分。
to this idea that Grunge is part of the story of Heavy Metal.
但不是每个人都这么看，人们也会把它联♥系♥起来
But not everyone sees it that way, people connect it also
朋克或车♥库♥摇滚或另类音乐的故事，
to the story of punk or garage rock or of alternative music,
所以我来到了垃圾的故乡西雅图
and so I've come to Seattle the home of Grunge to meet
找出垃圾是不是真的属于
with people and find out if really Grunge does belong
在重金属的进化过程中。
in the evolution of Heavy Metal.
**音乐**
* Music *
**简介**
* Intro *
回到90年代初，在加拿大维多利亚州长大
>> Back in the early 90's growing up in Victoria, Canada
从西雅图垃圾堆坐两个小时的船就够大的了，
just a 2-hour boat ride from Seattle grunge was huge,
不管你是朋克、滑冰选手还是金属脑袋
and whether you were a punk, skater or a metal head
我们都同意金属是垃圾声音的一部分，
we all agreed metal was a part of the sound of grunge,
但我一直想知道西雅图
but I've always wanted to know if the Seattle
垃圾音乐家们自己看到了他们的音乐
grunge musicians themselves saw their music
作为重金属历史的一部分。
as a part of the history of heavy metal.
山姆：在你看来，垃圾音乐和重金属音乐有什么关系？
Sam: What in your opinion does grunge have to do with heavy metal music?
马克·阿姆：嗯，我不知道，很多都很重。(笑)
Mark Arm: Umm, I dunno, a lot of it is heavy. (laughs)
山姆：垃圾是金属的吗？
Sam: Is Grunge metal?
金·沃尼克：(笑)人们认为是这样，我猜
Kim Warnick: (Laughs) Well people think it is, and I guess
可能有一点，但我真的不相信。
it might be a little bit but I don't really believe it is.
布兰登·奥布莱恩：有些音乐很有攻击性
Brendan O'Brien: Some of the music was pointedly aggressive
我想其中一些会被认为是你知道的金属，
and I guess some of that would be considered you know metal,
但是我，你知道，我们中没有人是这样想的。
but I you know don't think any of us thought of it in that way.
史蒂夫·阿尔比尼(Steve Albini)：重金属传统总是有一种
Steve Albini: The heavy metal tradition always had a kind
粗俗的强调技艺或粗俗的
of emphasis on virtuosity or on vulgar
表露狂的音乐倾向。
exhibitionist musical tendencies.
总是有一种华丽的感觉，几乎是一个营地。
There was always a kind of flamboyance, almost a camp
从元素到重金属和垃圾带都是
element to heavy metal and the grunge bands were all
在他们的陈述中更加直截了当。
much more straight forward in their presentation.
没有烟火表演，也没有马歇尔的墙
There wasn't a fireworks show, there wasn't a wall of Marshall
放大器，没有很大的鼓套件，而且在很多情况下
amplifiers, there wasn't a massive drum kit, and in a lot
在某些情况下，音乐才能不一定是初级的。
of cases the musicianship was not necessarily, rudimentary is
错误地说，这是一种功能性音乐。
the wrong way to put it, it was functional musicianship.
**音乐**
* Music *
山姆：你觉得为什么有时候垃圾没有
Sam: Why do you think that sometimes Grunge hasn't
已经被包括在金属的故事里了吗？
been included in the story of metal?
杰夫·吉尔伯特：我想可能是在垃圾餐厅
Jeff Gilbert: I think it was probably in grunge's
最大的利益是它与重金属无关
best interest that it wasn't associated with heavy metal
因为重金属是有内涵的，
because heavy metal came with connotations,
在这方面很傻的人。你知道时尚不是狂奔。
goofy ones at that. You know fashion not thrashin'.
金·塔伊尔：当时被认为是金属的是什么？
Kim Thayil: What was considered metal then was this
一种毛发农夫的氨纶音乐
kind of hair farmer spandex music for
美国未来的家庭主妇。
the future house wives of America.
山姆：即使你很重，你也不是什么人……
Sam: Even though you were heavy you werent' what people...
金：那些乐队听起来像是帕特里奇家族
Kim: Those bands sounded like The Partridge Family
带着毛茸茸的吉他，这就是他们听起来的样子。
with fuzzy guitars that's what they sounded like.
我们的声音不是那样的，我们看起来不是那样的。
We didn't sound like that, we didn't look like that.
迈克尔·艾泽拉德：你有毒药和搜查令
Michael Azerrad: You had Poison and Warrant and
像这样的乐队很大程度上定义了
bands like that defining pretty much what
金属至少在大众的想象中是存在的。
metal was at least in the popular imagination.
当垃圾破门而出时，你得到了金属的抚恤金
When grunge broke through you had metal's pension
对于大块头、夸张的人和男子汉来说，尤其是
for the big and the overblown and the macho particularly the
金属发带根本放不下。
hair metal bands there was just no place for that.
梅丽莎·奥夫·德尔·毛尔：这种态度太荒谬了
Melissa Auf Der Maur: The attitude was so ridiculous
太过分了，如此颓废、放纵和愚蠢，
over the top, and so decadent and indulgent and dumbass,
就像是乔克和金属混合在一起
like it was jock mixed with metal and
这对聪明人来说是不好的。
that's not okay for intelligent people.
史提夫：所有那些发胶音乐都是
Steve: All that hairspray music was just a total
(嘟嘟)给我们开个玩笑，那是给(嘟嘟)的音乐。
(beep) joke to us, that was music for (beep).
**音乐**
* Music *
很明显，垃圾音乐家们完全反对
>> It's clear that grunge musicians were totally opposed
对于Glam和Glam的音效和视觉上的过度
to the sonic and visual excesses of glam and
这似乎解释了为什么这些音乐家
this seems to explain why these musicians distanced
早在90年代初就从重金属中解脱出来。
themselves from heavy metal back in the early 90's.
但我在想如果垃圾与
But I'm wondering if grunge's connection to
重金属可能存在于别处。
heavy metal might lie elsewhere.
山姆：你认为你在做金属的工作在多大程度上？
Sam: To what extent was what you were doing metal do you think?
山本弘：哦，我不知道(笑)我是说当时很黑
Hiro Yamamoto: Ohh I don't know (laughs) I mean it was dark
它有一种锋芒，
and there was kind of an edge to it,
我不知道你会不会把它叫做重金属。
I don't know if you would call it like heavy metal.
垃圾绝对是一种朋克摇滚的态度，
Grunge was definitely more of a punk rock kind of attitude,
尽管我的意思是你可以说Metallica是一种朋克摇滚
although I mean you could say Metallica is kind of a punk rock
也是一种态度，所以这就是它的相似之处，
kind of attitude too so that's what kind of makes it similar,
我的意思是那是沉重的音乐，响亮的吉他，非常有力。
I mean it was heavy music, loud guitars, real blatantly powerful
打鼓，真正的踢腿，尖叫，在舞台上摆姿势，
drums, real kicking, screaming, posturing on stage,
这就是使它更有金属味的原因。
that was what made it more metal.
**音乐**
* Music *
山姆：你对垃圾实际上是金属的一部分的说法怎么看？
Sam: What do you make of the argument that grunge IS actually part of metal?
布莱恩·斯莱格尔：我完全同意，对我来说听起来像金属，
Brian Slagel: I completely agree, sounded like metal to me,
我喜欢它，我认识的很多金属人也喜欢它。
I liked it and a lot of metal people I knew liked it too.
山姆：你在成长过程中受哪些金属乐队的影响？
Sam: What metal bands were you influenced by when you were growing up?
库尔特·丹尼尔森：铁娘子和第一张范海伦唱片，
Kurt Danielson: Iron Maiden and the first Van Halen record,
我记得它是在同年出版的
I remember it came out the same year as
“别管那些废话了”，这两张唱片我都有。
"Never Mind The Bollocks" and I had both of those records.
只要声音很大，就会有很多沉重的吉他，
So long as it was loud there was a lot of heavy guitar,
它值得把音量调大，用它来烦扰我的父母。
it was worthy of turning up the volume and annoying my parents with it.
山姆：当我和西雅图的人交谈时，我有一种感觉
Sam: The sense I'm getting when I talk to people in Seattle
都是一样的，就是在早期阶段，他们中的很多人
is the same, that in an early stage a lot of them
受到了很多金属的影响
were influenced by a lot of metal
巴斯·奥斯本：当然，这是毫无疑问的。
Buzz Osbourne: Absolutely, no question to that.
我知道珍珠酱的杰夫真的很喜欢毒液
I know that Jeff from Pearl Jam was really into Venom
地狱锤之类的东西。
and Hellhammer and all that stuff.
我的意思是那些东西真的很容易喜欢，你知道；
I mean that stuff was really easy to like you know;
很好，你知道吗，我还是喜欢那些东西。
it was good you know, I still like that stuff.
马克：对我来说，有些乐队被认为是
Mark: For me there are some bands that are like considered
我心爱的金属，就像黑色安息日一样
metal that are near and dear to my heart like Black Sabbath
首先也是最重要的是蓝色欢呼和摩托头
first and foremost and Blue Cheer and Motorhead,
没有任何超高技术的东西会转向
there's none of the super technical things that veers
在我不太喜欢的金属部分。
on the part of metal that I don't really like.
**音乐**
* Music *
杰夫：所有的垃圾男都来自一个
Jeff: All the grunge guys literally came from a
重金属背景，喝啤酒，听
heavy metal background, drinking beer and listening
放在你的汽车音响里给范海伦。
to Van Halen in your car stereo.
每个人都有相同的起点，也就是它分开的地方
Everybody had that same starting point, where it separated off
是当垃圾们发现并和朋克一起跑的时候
was when the grunge guys discovered and ran with punk and
金属人就呆在原地不动。
the metal guys just stayed right where they are.
杰克·恩迪诺：在我看来，它似乎是从一个
Jack Endino: It seemed to me like it was taking up from a
1976年金属和重岩石停止的地方，现在是
place where metal and heavy rock left off in 1976 and was now
有点像是回到那里，收拾残局
sort of going back there and picking up the pieces and
加入一些朋克摇滚的影响然后重新开始。
throwing some punk rock influence in and starting over.
我以为这是七十年代重摇滚的延续
I thought this is a continuation of seventies heavy rock with
一些朋克精神和对噪音的健康尊重。
some punk ethos thrown in here and a healthy respect for noise.
**音乐**
* Music *
>>虽然垃圾音乐家厌恶魅力金属，但他们
>> While grunge musicians detested glam metal, they were
深受英国和美国金属乐队的影响
deeply influenced by the British and American metal bands of the
六七十年代等等垃圾与
sixties and the seventies and so grunge's connection to the
金属的历史对我来说正变得越来越清楚，但我
history of metal is becoming more clear to me but what I
还不明白的是，垃圾的声音到底是什么
still don't understand is, what exactly is the sound of grunge
为什么西雅图会成为这种音乐的发源地呢？
and why did Seattle become the home to this music?
**音乐**
* Music *
>>在整个系列中，我了解到许多金属
>> Throughout the series I've learned that many metal
子流派诞生于塑造声音和音乐的城市
sub-genres are born in cities that shaped the sound and
音乐的态度，来自伯明翰早期的金属
attitude of music, from early metal in Birmingham
60年代末到80年代的旧金山湾区。
in the late '60s to Bay area thrash in the '80s.
所以我很好奇西雅图这座城市
So I'm curious to find out how the city of Seattle
可能影响了垃圾音乐。