金属进化：重金属音乐发展史（2011）

Metal Evolution: The Series S01E04

Part 1 Dec. 10, 2021, 11:24 a.m.

(球迷欢呼)
(Fans cheering)
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山姆·邓恩：我来南美是为了
Sam Dunn: So I'm here in South America to
会见铁娘子的成员之一
meet with the members of Iron Maiden one of
我一直以来最喜欢的乐队，现在实际上
my all-time favorite bands and is now actually
地球上最大的乐队之一。
one of the biggest bands on the planet.
关于铁娘子的事情是她们的根植于一场运动
The thing about Iron Maiden is their roots lie in a movement
被称为英国重金属的新浪潮，这是
called the New Wave of British Heavy Metal which was
早在80年代初，英国就出现了乐队爆♥炸♥式增长的现象，
this explosion of bands back in the early 80's in England,
但我从来没有真正明白的是，到底是什么
but what I never really understood is what exactly was
英国新一波重金属和
the New Wave of British Heavy Metal and
它对金属音乐的发展有何贡献？
what's its contribution to the development of Metal music?
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**简介**
* Intro *
(粉丝高呼口号♥)
(Fans yelling and chanting)
山姆：在“铁娘子”填满体育场之前
Sam: Before Iron Maiden was filling stadiums in
南美，早在1980年，他们发布了他们的
South America, back in 1980 when they released their
第一次有记录的时候，他们被认为是
first record they were considered the leaders of the
新一波英国重金属或被称为“NWOBHM”。
New Wave of British Heavy Metal or "Nwobhm" as it's called.
但是“少女时代”实际上是在70年代中期开始的，
But Maiden actually got their start in the mid 70's and
我一直想知道的是
what I've always wanted to know is what was the
当时英国的音乐氛围怎么样？
musical climate was like in England at that time?
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山姆：你觉得为什么花了那么长时间才到
Sam: Why do you think it took that time to get to
并发行第一张专辑吗？
that point and release that first album?
史蒂夫·哈里斯：我想这纯粹是因为
Steve Harris: I think it was just purely because of
在我们的情况下，发生了什么，或者没有发生什么
what was happening, or not happening in our case
在当时的音乐界。
in the music business at the time.
我们在朋克之前就在附近，但是朋克
We were around before the punk thing but the punk thing
发生在77年左右，所以朋克乐队得到了他们的演出
happened around '77, so punk bands were getting their gigs
任何稍微更主流的摇滚
and anything that was remotely more mainstream rock
甚至都看不到了，所以它真的
wasn't even looked at anymore, so it was really
对当时的乐队来说很艰难。我记得我去过
tough for bands at the time. I remember going down to
在伦敦西部有一场演唱会，我们就进去了
a gig in west London and we went in there
只是到处都是人在潜水，
it was just people divin' all over the place,
向乐队吐口水我就是讨厌它的一切
spittin' over the band I just hated everything about it,
绝对是一切。
absolutely everything.
山姆：也许朋克至少可以归功于
Sam: Maybe punk could be credited with at least bringing
史提夫：不，对不起，我不能把它记在帐上。
Steve: Nope, sorry can't credit it with anything.
山姆：来吧，史蒂夫！
Sam: C'mon Steve!
山姆：不，我们讨厌它，我们绝对讨厌它。
Sam: No we hated it, we absolutely hated it.
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山姆：1977年，朋克乐队在英国大受欢迎，这件事也发生了。
Sam: 1977 and punk was exploding in England and it also happened
与女王的银禧同年
to be the same year as the Queen's silver jubilee
为了夺取皮斯，性手♥枪♥乐队著名地租了一艘船
and to take the Pis, the Sex Pistols famously rented a boat
泰晤士河上，但我对朋克感兴趣是因为
on the Thames River, but why I'm interested in Punk is because
有很多关于敌意的民间传说
there's a lot of folklore around the animosity
在70年代末的金属和朋克之间。
between Metal and Punk in the late 70's.
所以我想知道的是到底是什么
So what I want to understand is what exactly was the
这两种音乐风格之间的关系是什么？
relationship between these 2 styles of music?
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山姆：与70年代末的朋克相比，金属有什么不同？
Sam: What was different about metal compared to punk in the late 70's?
鼠疮：金属玩家有一种..。他们的金属即兴演奏。
Rat Scabies: Metal players have a... their metal riffs.
我们更像是摇滚乐，不是蓝调，而是有点摇滚乐。
We were much more kind of, not bluesy but sorta rock and roll
有点传统，基于我们看待笔记的方式，我们
kind of traditional based in the way we viewed the notes we
打球的时候，我们有一种很棒的亲情
played, there was kind of a great kindred that we had
很多蠢货和MC5
a lot of The Stooges and The MC5,
但这些相似之处实际上只是在数量上。
but the similarities were really only in volume.
山姆：为什么你最终更喜欢去
Sam: Why were you ultimately more attracted to going
朋克的方向而不是金属的方向。
the punk direction than the metal.
老鼠：因为它是我的。那是我这一代人
Rat: Cause' it was mine. It was my generation
这是我想做的，你知道我们没有
it was what I wanted to do, and you know we didn't play
也和那些家伙一样好。我觉得我们很棒，因为
as good as those guys either. I think we were great because
我们可以弄出一些听起来像歌♥曲的东西。
we could get something out that sounded like a song.
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山姆：金属乐迷和朋克乐迷和平共处吗？
Sam: Were the metal and punk fans co-existing peacefully
或者那里确实存在真正的冲突？
or was there an actual real conflict there?
老鼠：你就像笼子里的两只咆哮的狗
Rat: It's like two snarling dogs in a cage you
我知道他们会看着对方打量对方
know they'll look at each other and size each other up
然后过了一段时间，他们就有点退缩了
and then after awhile they kind of back down and
习惯彼此在那里，也许吧
get used to each other being there and well maybe
他的屁♥股♥闻起来毕竟没那么难闻。
his butt doesn't sniff so bad after all.
约翰·塔克：七十年代中期，当它开始的时候，它是非常
John Tucker: Mid-seventies when it kicked off it was very
更像是我们或他们的文化。你没有混在一起，你没有
much an us or them culture. You didn't mix, you didn't
试着混合，如果你真的混合了，可能会有麻烦。
attempt to mix and if you did mix there could be trouble.
当我纯粹走过俱乐部时，有人朝我扔过瓶子。
I've had bottles thrown at me as I walked past clubs purely
罪名是穿牛仔夹克。
for the crime of wearing a denim jacket.
山姆：你自己也是个摇滚歌♥手，你觉得朋克怎么样？
Sam: Being a rock guy yourself how did you feel about punk?
丹尼斯·斯特拉顿：我讨厌它。
Dennis Stratton: I hated it.
是啊，我看不出吐唾沫在人们身上有什么乐趣
Yah I don't see the pleasure of spittin' on people
诸如此类的事情。它毁了正常的音乐。
and things like that. It ruined proper music.
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>>70年代末英国的金属音乐家似乎
>> Metal musicians in England in the late 70's seemed to
有着与他们的音乐理念截然不同的音乐哲学
have a very different musical philosophy than their
朋克同行，但考虑到NWOBHM直接来自
punk counterparts, but given that NWOBHM came directly
紧跟在朋克之后，我在想是不是所有人
on the heels of punk I'm wondering if all
梅勒尔也这么想吗？
metaler's shared this perspective?
所以我要见布莱恩·塔特勒，他是
So I'm meeting with Brian Tatler, guitarist for the
有影响力的NWOBHM品牌钻头将走得更深
influential NWOBHM band Diamond Head to get a deeper
了解金属商对朋克的感受。
understanding about how heavy metalers felt about punk.
布莱恩·塔特勒：我喜欢朋克，我觉得它对
Brian Tatler: I liked punk I felt it was very important for
音乐界我想它去掉了很多枯木，
the music scene I think it got rid of a lot of the dead wood,
看起来好像是舞蹈团
there seemed to be like prog bands were getting
在失控的情况下，像Yes这样的乐队
out of control, bands like Yes were making
两张专辑和三张专辑。
double albums and triple albums.
只有当你去看这些乐队的时候，你才能看到它们。
You could only see these bands if you went to see them at
温布利，他们就像来自另一个星球的神
Wembley, they were like gods from another planet or
有些事，你呼吸的空气和齐柏林飞艇不一样，但是
something, you didn't breath the same air as Led Zeppelin but
当然，你可以去俱乐部看朋克乐队，那里有
certainly you could go watch a punk band in a club it had the
令人兴奋的能量，我想它给了成千上万的孩子
excitement the energy, I think it gave thousands of kids the
你可以继续做你自己的音乐的想法，去找一个
idea that you could go on make your own music, go get a
吉他，而不是让这个令人难以置信的基准
guitar, instead of having this incredible benchmark of say
深紫色不负责任。当然我可以玩
Deep Purple to live up to. Certainly I could play the
吉他可能就像“性手♥枪♥”里的史蒂夫·琼斯。
guitar maybe like Steve Jones from the Sex Pistols.
杰西·考克斯：它对孩子们很有吸引力，你知道，孩子们喜欢吵闹。
Jess Cox: It appealed to kids you know, kids want noise
他们想要权力，他们想要任何流行的东西
and they want power and they want whatever is the in thing
那是当时最流行的东西。
and that was the in thing at the time.
山姆：为什么媒体和唱片公♥司♥如此迷恋这个叫朋克的东西？
Sam: Why were the media and the labels so infatuated with this thing called punk?
约翰·塔克：他们想要下一件大事，因为这将使
John Tucker: They want the next big thing because this will make
当有事情发生的时候，他们会花钱，还有性手♥枪♥
them money so when something happens, and the Sex Pistols
在他们的电视采访中发生了重大事件每个人都认为
happened big time through their TV interview everyone thinks
我们会有一个这样的，而不是接下来发生的事情，
we'll have one of those not what's happening next,
我想要一个，现在就想要一个。
I want one of those and I want one of those now.
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山姆：和我交谈的人经常谈到朋克
Sam: People I talk to often talk about how the punk
爆♥炸♥相当短暂。这公平吗？
explosion was fairly short-lived. Is that Fair?
老鼠：朋克一成为主流，就快死了。
Rat: Punk kind of died as soon as it went mainstream.
每一小(哔)声都出去买♥♥了一件皮夹克剪了。
Every little (beep) went out and bought a leather jacket and cut
他们的头发，我想把安全别针穿过他们的脸颊
their hair and put safety pins through their cheeks I think
他们非常关注如何取得成功。
they got very focused on how to be successful.
你知道流行歌♥手就是这么做的，
This is how they do it you know with pop acts,
这就是主流的运作方式，我们只是
this is how it works in the mainstream we just
必须对我们的乐队适用同样的规则。
have to apply the same rules to our band.
马克·格雷戈里：如果你愿意的话，这些前无政♥府♥主义者，
Mark Gregory: These former, Anarchists if you'd like,
已经成为百万卖♥♥艺人的大品牌。
had become big label million selling artists.
出自朋克，你就像是拿到了独♥立♥吉他，然后把它粘在一起
Out of punk you kind of got the indie jangly guitar and stick it
带着一些新的和浪漫的东西。所以有一个
with something new and romantic as well. So there was a
真正的终点在那里，接下来会发生什么都没关系
real kind of end point there and it's alright what's coming next
或者我们下一步能做什么才能真正引起轰动呢？
or what can we do next that's really going to rock?
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