终结一切战争：奥本海默和原子弹（2023）

罗德斯：当他离开时，
RHODES: As he was leaving,
他走上前去和奥本海默握手
he went up to shake Oppenheimer's hand
并说：“对不起。”
and said, I'm sorry.
奥本海默看着他的眼睛说：
And Oppenheimer looked him in the eye and said,
“爱德华，听完你刚才的话，
Edward, after what you just said,
我不知道那个是什么意思。”
I don't know what that means.
诺兰：他显然是一个非常非常聪明的人，
NOLAN: He was obviously a very, very brilliant man,
但我认为他可能低估了
but I think he may have underestimated
机构、机器的力量，
the power of the establishment, the machine,
以及一个人的无能
and the inability of one individual
反对这一点。
to stand against that.
伯德：结果是预料之中的。
BIRD: The result was to be expected.
电视播音员：J.罗伯特·奥本海默博士，
TV ANNOUNCER: Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer,
本周被停职的著名科学家
the famous scientist whose suspension this week
原子能委员会的决定令全国感到惊讶。
by the Atomic Energy Commission surprised the nation.
他们投票决定取消奥本海默的安全许可。
They voted to strip Oppenheimer of his security clearance.
这是全国报纸的头版新闻。
This was front-page news in the newspapers across the country.
他推荐了共♥产♥党员
That he had recommended communists
他们正在研究原♥子♥弹♥、氢弹计划。
who are working the A-bomb, H-bomb plans.
他的妻子呃,诚然是,呃,
His wife, uh, admittedly was, uh,
一名共♥产♥党官员，
an official of the Communist Party,
呃，兄弟是一个非常积极的共♥产♥主义者。
uh, brother a very active communist.
伯德：他成了政♥治♥贱民。
BIRD: He became a political pariah.
KAKU：这让人不寒而栗
KAKU: And that sent a chill
通过科学界。
through the scientific community.
如果他们能打倒最著名的原子科学家
If they could take down the most famous atomic scientist
在地球上，那么我们都是脆弱的。
on the planet Earth, then we're all vulnerable.
BIRD：它发送了一条非常邪恶的信息
BIRD: It sent a really nefarious message
致所有正在工作的科学家
to all working scientists
谨防参与政♥治♥问题。
to beware of weighing in on political issues.
这是一件可怕的事情，因为我们需要他们的专业知识。
And this is a terrible thing because we need their expertise.
然而奥本海默审判
And yet the Oppenheimer trial
使这变得困难。
made that difficult.
罗德斯：在安全审判之后，
RHODES: After the security trial,
奥本海默不再是同一个人了。
Oppenheimer was never the same guy again.
从那以后他就成了一个空心的人。
He was kind of a hollow man after that.
查尔斯·奥本海默：我们在家庭内部所说的是
CHARLES OPPENHEIMER: What we say inside the family is
这伤害了他的感情。
it hurt his feelings.
他不喜欢这样，但他没有说出来。
He didn't like it, but he didn't talk about it.
他从未公开对此发表过任何声明。
He never made one statement about it publicly.
他从来没有要求过道歉，
He never asked for an apology,
然后他又退回了原来的地方。
and he retreated back into where he came from.
伯德：他仍然保住了普林斯顿大学的工作，
BIRD: He still kept his job at Princeton,
但他不再做物理了。
but he wasn't doing any more physics.
这是一段悲伤的岁月。
These were kind of sad years.
默罗：爱因斯坦教授也还在这里，不是吗？
MURROW: And Professor Einstein is still here, too, isn't he?
哦耶。 确实如此。 呃，确实是。 呃...
Oh, yeah. Indeed he is. Uh, indeed he is. Uh...
他有给你打电♥话♥吗？
Does he ever call you up on the telephone?
嗯，有时。
Hmm, sometimes.
我想他...他打电♥话♥给我，
I think he... he calls me,
呃，当他在报纸上读到的时候
uh, when he reads in the newspapers
我身上有一些他不喜欢的地方
something about me that he doesn't like,
他打电♥话♥给我并说，
and he calls me up and-and says,
“那好吧，那就对了。”
That's all right. That's just right.
宣威：他已经失去了斗志。
SHERWIN: He had lost his fighting spirit.
他与评论无关
He would have nothing to do with commenting
关于当今与核武器有关的任何问题。
on any of the issues of the day related to nuclear weapons.
男：奥本海默博士，您能告诉我们您的想法吗？
MAN: Dr. Oppenheimer, could you tell us what your thoughts are
我们的原子政策应该是什么？
about what our atomic policy should be?
不，我-我不能那样做。
No, I-I can't do that.
我不是……不够接近事实，
I'm not... not close enough to the facts,
我还不够近
and I'm not close enough
那些为此担心的人的想法。
to the thoughts of those who are worrying about it.
罗德斯：汉斯·贝特曾经告诉过我，
RHODES: Hans Bethe told me once that,
“奥本海默比我们其他人都聪明。”
Oppenheimer was smarter than any of the rest of us.
他没有获得诺贝尔奖。
He didn't win a Nobel Prize.
这个明明光彩照人的男人怎么可能
How could this man, who evidently outshone
20世纪一些最伟大的物理学家，
some of the greatest physicists of the 20th century,
在他的工作领域——物理学——中并没有取得更大的成功——
not have been more successful in his line of work-- physics--
比他是谁？
than he was?
查尔斯·奥本海默：你不能谈论奥本海默
CHARLES OPPENHEIMER: You can't talk about Oppenheimer
当你不谈论他的科学时。
when you're not talking about his science.
那是他生活的一部分。
That was the part of his life.
当他谈到自己喜欢的事情时
When he talks about what he loves,
这是人类传播知识的事情。
it was that human thing of passing knowledge around.
这是负粒子，
This is negative particles,
中性、双电荷、正电荷、正电荷...
neutral, doubly charged, positive and positive...
查尔斯·奥本海默：他在黑洞方面的工作
CHARLES OPPENHEIMER: His work on black holes
应该为他赢得诺贝尔奖。
should have earned him a Nobel Prize.
SHERWIN：1939 年，奥本海默写了第一篇论文
SHERWIN: In 1939, Oppenheimer wrote the first paper
确定了坍缩恒星和黑洞的概念。
identifying the idea of collapsing stars, a black hole.
所以，黑洞是他最初的想法。
So, black holes was his original idea.
我的意思是，这真是太神奇了。
I mean, that's quite amazing.
如果一个真正的黑洞
And if a real black hole
死前已被确认身份……
had been identified before he died...
...他可能会因为这项工作而获得诺贝尔奖。
...he probably would have won a Nobel Prize for that work.
伯德：1966年，
BIRD: In 1966,
他被诊断出患有食道癌。
he was diagnosed with esophageal cancer.
多年来的吸烟已经影响了他。
All that smoking over the years had gotten to him.
他于 67 年初去世。
And he died in early '67.
奥本海默的人生故事，
Oppenheimer's life story,
这是20世纪的故事。
it's the story of the 20th century.
这是我们核时代的故事
It's the story of our nuclear age
我们仍然生活在一起，
that we're still living with,
这是一个未完成的故事。
and that's a story that is unfinished.
永远都是未完成的。
Will always be unfinished.
ELSE：我们有他的炸♥弹♥。
ELSE: We have his bomb.
他的炸♥弹♥就在我们身边。
His bomb is with us.
我们可以讨论他的共♥产♥党员身份
And we can debate his membership in the Communist Party
或者我们可以讨论道德问题
or we can debate the ethics
在广岛轰炸平民直到我们降落，
of bombing civilians at Hiroshima until we drop,
但事实是我们拥有核武器。
but the fact is that we have nuclear weapons.
这就是遗产。
That's the legacy.
而控制那些武器，则是一场永无休止的斗争。
And controlling those weapons, it's a never-ending struggle.
婴儿炸♥弹♥太可怕了。
It was so horrible with a baby bomb.
现在他们拥有更致命的核武器。
Now they have so much more lethal nuclear weapon.
奥本海默：有很多讨论
OPPENHEIMER: There is much talk about
摆脱原子武器。
getting rid of atomic weapons.
我对此深表同情。
I have a deep sympathy with that.
田村：拜托，让我们尝试找到共同点。
TAMURA: Please, let's try to find common ground.
我确信如果奥比今天还活着，他会同意我的观点。
I'm sure if Oppie was alive today, he would agree with me.
男人：……两个，一个。
MAN: ...two, one.
奥本海默：但我们不能欺骗自己。
OPPENHEIMER: But we mustn't fool ourselves.
世界将不再一样
The world is not going to be the same
无论我们如何处理原♥子♥弹♥
no matter what we do with atomic bombs,
因为如何制♥作♥它们的知识无法被驱除。
because the knowledge of how to make them cannot be exorcized.
朱迪·伍德拉夫：物理学家 J·罗伯特·奥本海默
JUDY WOODRUFF: Physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer
也许最出名的是原♥子♥弹♥之父。
is perhaps best known as the father of the atomic bomb.
随着时间的流逝，
As time has passed,
对他在历史上的作用有一些新的评估。
there are some new assessments of his role in history.
2022 年末，能源部
In late 2022, the Department of Energy
决定撤销举♥行♥安全听证会的决定。
decided to vacate the decision to have the security hearings.
国家的悲剧在于这次听证会，
The national tragedy is that this hearing,
麦卡锡时代的政♥治♥迫♥害♥首先成为现实。
this McCarthy-era witch hunt, materialized in the first place.
这种事情不应该发生
That type of thing is not supposed to happen
在这样一个国家。
in a country like this.
这是一个非常重要且姗姗来迟的步骤。
This is such an important and long overdue step.
但同时又有点悲伤，
But at the same time, it's kind of sad,
因为这是 J. 罗伯特·奥本海默 (J. Robert Oppenheimer)
because this is something that J. Robert Oppenheimer
不会亲自去体验。
will not get to experience personally.