韦勒斯坦:奥本海默对氢弹的反对
WELLERSTEIN: Oppenheimer's opposition of the H-bomb
受到支持者的严厉对待。
was taken very hard by people who were in favor for it.
罗德斯:空军想要越来越多的炸♥弹♥
RHODES: The Air Force wanted more and more bombs
还有越来越大的炸♥弹♥。
and bigger and bigger bombs.
就威力而言,炸♥弹♥越大
The bigger the bomb, in terms of its yield,
一架飞机造成的伤害就越大。
the more damage one plane could do.
赫尔肯:战略空军司令部的重点是
HERKEN: The Strategic Air Command was focused upon
炸毁苏联。
blowing up the Soviet Union.
奥本海默表示,更明智的举措是投入资源
Oppenheimer said a smarter move would be to put resources
拦截苏联轰炸机。
into intercepting Soviet bombers.
罗德斯:他正朝相反的方向走
RHODES: He was going just the opposite direction
符合空军的要求。
from what the Air Force wanted.
他们想让他出去。 他们想除掉他。
They wanted him out. They wanted to get rid of him.
伯德:到1953年,奥本海默已经树立了足够多的敌人
BIRD: By 1953, Oppenheimer has made sufficient enemies
在华盛顿的官僚机构中。
in the Washington bureaucracy.
然后刘易斯·施特劳斯出现了……
And then along comes Lewis Strauss...
......原子能委员会的新主席。
...the new chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission.
斯特劳斯:我刚从太平洋试验场回来,
STRAUSS: I have just returned from the Pacific Proving Ground,
我在那里目睹了热核武器试验。
where I have witnessed a test of thermonuclear weapons.
伯德:施特劳斯认识奥本海默
BIRD: And Strauss knows Oppenheimer
并且越来越不喜欢他。
and has grown to intensely dislike him.
罗德:奥本海默曾经对他很暴躁,
RHODES: Oppenheimer had been snappish with him once,
这深深地冒犯了他。
and it had deeply offended him.
于是施特劳斯开始密谋
So Strauss begins to plot
解除奥本海默的职务的一种手段。
a means to defrock Oppenheimer.
宣威:他是怎么做到的?
SHERWIN: And how does he do it?
刘易斯·施特劳斯关注奥本海默的协会
Lewis Strauss focuses on Oppenheimer's association
与左翼朋友
with left-wing friends
20 世纪 30 年代的伯克利。
during the 1930s in Berkeley.
男人:“Communism.”
MAN : Communism.
谁是系统的使徒
Who are the apostles of a system
试图破坏美国的生活方式?
that attempts to destroy the American way of life?
第二次世界大战期间,苏联是我们的盟友。
During the Second World War, the Soviet Union was our ally.
以及作为一名共♥产♥主义者的感觉
And that sense of being a communist
或者与共♥产♥党人交往并不是什么
or associating with communists was not something
这被认为是很糟糕的。
that was considered that bad.
直到冷战时期
It wasn't until the Cold War
突然间回想起来,
that all of a sudden, in retrospect,
任何有communist历史遗产的人
anyone with any kind of legacy of a communist past
现在是一个安全威胁。
is now a security threat.
如果我们的政♥府♥中没有communists
If there were no communists in our government,
为什么我们推迟了18个月,
why did we delay, for 18 months,
推迟氢弹研究?
delay our research on the hydrogen bomb?
罗德斯:正是因为这样的态度
RHODES: It was from attitudes like that
最终导致政♥府♥决定
that finally led to the government deciding
他们不得不取消奥本海默的安全许可。
they had to pull Oppenheimer's security clearance.
查尔斯·奥本海默:他必须放弃
CHARLES OPPENHEIMER: He would have to give up
30 天内进行安全审查或要求举♥行♥听证会。
his security clearance in 30 days or ask for a hearing.
他觉得自己不能放弃安全许可。
He felt he couldn't give up his security clearance.
他无法同意他们的观点
He couldn't agree with them
他不适合为政♥府♥服务。
that he wasn't fit to serve his government.
否则:他应该告诉他们滚蛋。
ELSE: He should have told them to get lost.
他应该说:“我就是原♥子♥弹♥。
He should have said, I am the atomic bomb.
“我赢得了第二次世界大战。
I won World War II.
滚蛋吧。”
Fuck off.
不管出于什么原因,他没有让他们迷路。
For whatever reason, he didn't tell them to get lost.
他决定与之抗争。
He decided to fight it.
伯德:在他去华盛顿之前,
BIRD: And before he goes down to Washington,
他会见了爱因斯坦
he meets with Einstein
告诉他他将缺席几周
to tell him he's gonna be absent for a few weeks,
而爱因斯坦的反应却相当惊人。
and Einstein's reaction is quite startling.
艾伯特说:“但是,罗伯特,你是原子先生。
Albert says, But, Robert, you are Mr. Atomic.
“你不需要他们。他们需要你。
You don't need them. They need you.
请走开。 你为什么要经历这个?”
Just walk away. Why should you go through this?
奥本海默摇摇头,显然是对艾伯特说:
And Oppenheimer shakes his head and apparently says to Albert,
“好吧,你不明白。”
Well, you don't understand.
然后他就走开了,
And he walks away,
爱因斯坦转向他的秘书说:
and Einstein turns to his secretary and says,
“纳尔走了。”
There goes a nar.
意第绪语是傻瓜的意思。
The Yiddish for a fool.
电视播音员:本周全世界的注意力都集中在
TV ANNOUNCER: World attention was focused this week
在华盛顿原子能委员会大楼上,
on the Atomic Energy Commission building in Washington,
三人委员会开始举♥行♥特别听证会
where a three-man board began special hearings
关于 J. Robert Oppenheimer 博士的安全档案,
on the security file of Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer,
研制出第一颗原♥子♥弹♥的核科学家。
the nuclear scientist who developed the first A-bomb.
安全听证会开始,事情很快就明朗了
The security hearing starts, and it quickly becomes clear
这不仅仅是一次安全听证会。
that this is not just a security hearing.
这是一次审判。
This is a trial.
电视播音员:有一项新指控
TV ANNOUNCER: There's a new charge
那位科学家反对氢弹的研制。
that the scientist opposed the development of the H-bomb.
韦勒斯坦:形势对他不利,而且很丑陋。
WELLERSTEIN: The deck is stacked against him, and it's ugly.
他们正在窃听他的谈话
They're wiretapping his conversations
非法与律师在一起并将其交给检方
with his lawyer illegally and giving it to the prosecution
以便他们确切地知道将会发生什么。
so that they know exactly what's gonna happen.
他们能够查看联邦调查局的机密文件。
They are able to look at classified FBI files.
他不是因为没有许可,
He is not because he doesn't have a clearance,
结果他无法查看自己的 FBI 档案。
and he can't look at his own FBI file as a result.
罗兹:奥本海默与让·塔特洛克的关系,
RHODES: Oppenheimer's involvement with Jean Tatlock,
他的兄弟是否是共♥产♥党员的问题
the question of whether his brother had been a communist
仍然是,
and still was,
这些是他们从档案中取出的东西。
those were the things they pulled out of the files.
科南特:最确凿的证据之一
CONANT: One of the most damning pieces of evidence
被带出来的是
that was brought out was
事实上,在战争期间,有过一次谈话
the fact that, during the war, there had been a conversation
在他伯克利的家中与哈康·谢瓦利埃 (Haakon Chevalier) 一起,
at his home in Berkeley with Haakon Chevalier,
他的老朋友,曾向他提到过
his old friend, who had mentioned to him
也许有一种方法他可以
that there was a way perhaps that he could
泄露有关他正在从事的原子项目的信息
leak information about the atomic project he was working on
给苏联官员。
to Soviet officials.
现在,奥本海默当时驳回了这一点,
Now, Oppenheimer had dismissed it at the time,
但他没有报告这一事件。
but he had not reported the incident.
他知道他和保安人员已经如履薄冰,
He knew he was already on thin ice with security people,
他因与共♥产♥党的关系而受到怀疑。
that he was suspected because of his communist ties.
所以他试图让自己远离热水。
So he was trying to keep himself out of hot water.
问题是,在随后的谈话中
The problem was that, in subsequent conversations
与洛斯阿♥拉♥莫斯的安全人员交谈时,他非常回避、含糊其辞
with Los Alamos security people, he had told very evasive, vague
对这次谈话的记述,一个接一个。
accounts of this conversation, one after another.
当他们面对奥本海默时
And when they confronted Oppenheimer
通过这些回避的版本,他们问他,
with these evasive versions, they asked him,
“你为什么要这么做?
Why did you do this?
你为什么不直接说呢?”
Why wouldn't you have been forthright?
他说:“我是个白♥痴♥。”
He said, I was an idiot.
从某种意义上说,他那时就决定了自己的命运。
And in a sense, he sealed his own fate then.
罗德:他崩溃了。
RHODES: He fell apart.
他试图作证,但他真的崩溃了。
He tried to testify, but he really fell apart.
伯德:他又快要精神崩溃了,
BIRD: He's having almost another nervous breakdown,
就像他年轻时所经历的那样。
like what he went through as a young man.
他异常坚忍♥,就像在冰窖里一样
He's oddly stoic, like he was in the icehouse
当他还是个小男孩时,饱受折磨
when he was a young boy being tormented
由他的夏令营同伴们。
by his fellow summer campers.
他辞职了,并没有真正为自己辩护。
He's resigned and not really defending himself.
当然,一个把钉子钉进棺材的人,
One person who sort of put the nails in his coffin, of course,
是爱德华·泰勒。
was Edward Teller.
赫肯:泰勒作证指控奥本海默。
HERKEN: Teller testified against Oppenheimer.
他说他认为他会感觉好一些
He said that he thought he would feel better
如果国家的安全
if the security of the country
都在奥本海默以外的其他人手中。
were in other hands than Oppenheimer's.
一位与奥本海默关系密切的科学家说
And one of the scientists who was close to Oppenheimer said
这不仅仅是在背后捅奥本海默一刀的问题
it was a matter of not only stabbing Oppenheimer in the back
但扭转刀片。
but twisting the blade.
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