漫威616（2020）

Marvel's 616 S01E04

Part 5 July 14, 2021, 5:31 p.m.

Plus, they could use some updates.
这也许会是新的X战警或是神奇四侠
This could be the new X-Men or Fantastic Four.
这太棒了一定会火的
This is incredible. It's gonna be huge.
还有很多事要做但首先
There was a lot to do, but first,
我要静静地走在一条普普通通的小路上
I needed to walk contemplatively down a nondescript street.
这是一则非常好的纪录片技巧
It's a good documentary technique
能够帮助观众理解
that helps the audience understand
其实我的内心在纠结一些非常重要的事
that I'm really wrestling with something very important.
跟查尔斯谈过看到他的热情所在之后
After talking to Charles and seeing his passion,
我意识到这是迪士尼+的绝佳财产
I realized this was the perfect property for Disney+.
《蛮力攻击》
要知道它可是有无限可能
I mean, it had limitless possibilities,
但我想知道
but I needed to see if people
人们是否能够接受动物形式的超级英雄
were ready to accept an animal superhero team.
因为如果没有粉丝
Because a Marvel show is
就无法成就漫威但我应该去哪儿
nothing without its fans, but where could I go?
-你好保罗 -你好
- Hey, Paul. - Yeah.
圣迭戈国际动漫展怎么样
How about San Diego Comic-Con?
对啊漫展这主意真不错保罗
Ah, yes, Comic-Con. What a great idea, Paul.
你真是天生的纪录片拍摄家
You really are a natural at documentaries.
所以我们就去了圣迭戈国际动漫展
So, we went to Comic-Con
悄悄对《蛮力攻击》的想法进行焦点小组测试
to secretly focus-test the idea of Brute Force
不跟任何人说这具体是什么
without telling anyone exactly what it was.
你觉得动物超级英雄笑对怎么样
What would you think of an animal superhero team?
"德拉克斯"和"卡魔拉"
-我觉得这想法很棒 -我们是动物爱好者
- I think that would be great. - We're definitely animal lovers.
我们养了蛇乌龟还有德国牧羊犬
We have snakes. We have turtles. We have German shepherds.
-狗 -大狗
- Dogs. - Big dogs, yeah.
我非常乐意看到
I would absolutely love to see
"奇异博士"
以动物为主角的超级英雄动画
a superhero animated series with animals, 100%.
"蜘蛛???"
也许是狮子狮子非常好
Probably the lion. The lion seems pretty good.
我会给它与太阳有关的超能力因为长相
I'd give him the power of the sun 'cause of the way he looks,
因为鬃毛会给他能量
'cause the mane will energize him.
我非常偏爱袋鼠
I am very partial to kangaroos
穿绿色T恤的人
想看到袋鼠有超能力
and would love to see one have superpowers.
我觉得它们应该有功夫
I could definitely see kung fu abilities.
应该会拳击
I would definitely see boxing,
会非常多不同的格斗技巧
like, a wide range of different fighting styles.
大胡子
你觉得这些动物"复仇者联盟"会做什么
What do you think these animal Avengers would do?
他们将会是环保主义者
They'd be environmentalists,
所以要保护地球保护自然
so they'd wanna protect the Earth, wanna protect nature,
阻止这些人破坏地球的企图
stop all these people from trying to destroy it.
圣迭戈国际动漫展大获成功
Comic-Con was a success.
漫迷们完全理解
These fans totally got the idea
并且似乎真心迫不及待
and seemed genuinely excited to see it.
《蛮力攻击》
拍摄《蛮力攻击》是艰难的
Bringing Brute Force to life was a tall order.
就外形而言一旦稍有差池
On the surface, a group of cybernetic animal superheroes
一群机械动物超英会非常滑稽
could be comical if done wrong.
而且我也知道
And I also knew that equipping
为真正的动物装备控制芯片
actual animals with cybernetic implants
不仅不道德而且会激怒爱护动物协会
was not only immoral but would probably enrage the ASPCA
可能还没开始就要停产
and shut down production before we even began.
于是只剩下一种选择动画片
Which left me with one option: animation.
漫威在这一项上有很长的历史
Marvel has this amazingly long history of producing
制♥作♥了不少优质电视动画片
some of the best animated shows on TV,
如今也是一样
and they still do to this day.
但就我来说正是这点让我爱上漫威
But for me, this is where I fell in love with Marvel.
一放学我就狂跑回家
I would race home every day from school
观看所有的九十年代经典电视动画片
and watch all the classic '90s Marvel animated TV shows.
这些节目在我心中举足轻重
These shows hold a special place in my heart
因为它们承载了漫威的空想世界
as they took the fantastical world of Marvel
让它们与现实世界接了轨
and grounded them in a real world,
当时能做到这种程度的可谓少之又少
which was something that was very rarely done at the time.
制♥作♥动画片是需要通力合作的艺术创作
Working in animation is a really collaborative art.
制♥作♥者和编剧合作构思
Animators and writers get together to pitch ideas
希望找出表现这些角色的完美途径
in the hopes to find the perfect way to embody these characters.
一而再再而三尝试好几个造型和色调微调
Many times, you go through several stylistic and tonal changes,
我在六点保护带公♥司♥有过这样的经历
and it's a process that I went through with 6 Point Harness,
它是一家洛杉矶的动画工作室
which is an animation studio in LA.
-欢迎来到六点 -非常谢谢
- Welcome to 6 Point. - Thanks so much.
我们将引入那种九十年代返璞归真感
Here we're getting into that, kinda, '90s throwback feel.
好的
Yeah.
像《历险小恐龙》《古惑狗天师》这样的
Like the Land Before Time, All Dogs Go to Heaven.
-经典 -确实是经典
- So classic. - Yeah, it's classic.
某种意义上卡♥通♥色彩很强
Very cartoony in a way.
-几乎满满孩子气 -是的
- This is almost a little too kiddie. - Mm.
我希望这个节目
I want this to be the show
能够让孩子们偷溜进家长房♥间
that the kids sneak into their parents' room
偷看电视然后琢磨
and they're watching it, and they're like,
"怎么会是这种动画片"
"What? How did I get to see that?"
非常好刚好引出我们下面一个
That's great. That goes right into our next one,
有点像一个团体乐队
which is kind of like a band, a musical band.
韩流当下大热
K-pop, so hot right now.
不不是韩流乐队那不是
No, they're not a K-pop band. No, that's not--
-韩流确实大热 -这点我知道
- But K-pop is huge. - I know K-pop is huge.
他们不是韩流乐队压根不是乐队
They're not that. They're never in a band.
从来没说过要乐队
There's never been anything about being in a band.
我想要有很多打戏
I want it to be action-packed.
我想要有点恐怖但也可以被人们接受
I want it to feel a little bit scary but also really accessible.
或许像这样
Maybe something like this. You know?
他在吃士兵
He's devouring that soldier.
-士兵的脚断了 -是的
- The soldier has a ripped-off foot? - Mm-hmm.
尖刀一样的牙齿
They have knives for teeth.
好吧不是动物没有尖刀一样的牙齿
Okay. Well, they don't. The animals don't have knives for teeth.
真不想承认这跟我的设想确实更接近
I'm sad to say this is closer to what I pictured.
-太好了 -当人们想到动画片时
- Great! - When people think about animation,
我希望他们能想起这个节目
I want them to think about this show
并感叹"天哪这节目居然是他们做出来的"
and be like, "Oh, my God. I can't believe that they did that."
-我们可以做到 -非常乐意
- We could do that. - We'd love that.
所以我写下一个数字
So, I wrote down a number.
能做出多久的动画
What can I get for this?
-大约两 -两分钟
- Uh... like two-- - Two minutes.
-两分钟 -两分钟
- Two? - Two minutes.
-两分钟 -是的
- Two minutes? - Yes.
好的两分钟做两分钟的动画片
Okay. Yeah, two minutes. Let's do two minutes.
-两分钟挺好 -是的没错
- Two minutes is good. - Yeah, totally.
-两分钟动画 -没问题太好了两分钟
- Let's do two minutes. - All right, great. Two minutes.
离开会议我自信满满
I left that meeting confident
终于敲定了合适的动画风格
that we'd eventually land on the proper animation style.
现在该关注一下故事情节
But now it was time to focus on story
以及漫威是如何描述故事情节的
and the way that Marvel tells a story,
所以我找到了史蒂夫·瓦克
which is why I reach out to Steve Wacker,
他不仅是漫威漫画的高级主编
who not only was a senior editor at Marvel Comics,
《超凡蜘蛛侠》史蒂夫·瓦克
《鹰眼》史蒂夫·瓦克
《惊奇队长》高级主编史蒂夫·瓦克
也是漫威动画的副总裁
but also was the VP of Marvel Animation.
在他的管理下他指导了
Under his watch, he guided
不少角色的配音及外形
the voices and styles of dozens of characters,
在漫威为什么能与众不同这个问题上
and I figured Steve would have some very good insight
我觉得史蒂夫会有独到的见解
on what makes something exclusively Marvel.
《X战警》《神奇四侠》《复仇者联盟》
漫威漫画不计其数
All right, so there is a ton of Marvel books,
到底是什么能让它与读者共鸣
but what are the things that connect it with an audience?
史蒂夫·瓦克
副总裁内容负责人漫威新媒体
问得好
It's a great question.
如果我们知道秘诀就能百战百胜了
If we knew exactly how to do it, we'd hit it every time.
我们目前有超过八千个角色
We've got, at this point, over 8,000 characters,
大多数你听都没听说过
most of which you've never even heard of.
-比如有小皮匠还有 -小皮匠是谁
- I'm talking about Leather Boy. I'm talk-- - Who is Leather Boy?
我不想说还有《街头诗人雷》
I don't wanna talk about it. Uh... Street Poet Ray.