原初真相：迈克尔杰克逊1993年案件最新证据浮现（2019）

He'd just pick up the phone and say,
他就会直接接电♥话♥
You know, say what he had to say and then he'd hang up.
该说什么说什么 说完就挂了
But he didn't do that with Evan.
不过接埃文的电♥话♥时则不然
Evan was always behind closed doors.
他永远都躲在门后接
Evan had already retained a lawyer.
埃文那时已找了个律师
Jordan Chandler was insisting that Michael had never touched him.
乔迪·钱德勒则坚称 迈克尔从未碰过他
Anthony Pellicano, who is Michael's private investigator,
迈克尔的私♥人♥侦♥探♥ 安东尼·佩利卡诺
goes around to interview Jordan Chandler and questions him
佩利卡诺到处找机会去和乔迪·钱德勒谈
for about an hour, I believe,
我记得他甚至讯问了他一小时
And asks him all sorts of questions, and very direct questions:
问了他所有那些尖锐而直接的问题
"Have you ever seen Michael Jackson naked?",
你是否曾经见过赤♥裸♥的迈克尔·杰克逊
"Have you ever been naked in a bed with Michael Jackson?"
你是否曾和迈克尔·杰克逊在床上裸睡
"Has he ever touched you?", et cetera, et cetera
"他曾经摸过你吗" 等等等等
and Jordan Chandler says "No" to everything.
而乔迪·钱德勒否认了一切
At the end of the conversation, Jordan Chandler reiterates that Michael has never done anything wrong to him,
在讯问的最后 乔迪·钱德勒重申了 迈克尔从未对他做任何坏事
and says that his dad is just trying to get money.
然后他说他的父亲就是想拿钱
It started out a custody issue.
这事起初是一个监护权问题
Evan Chandler wanted the custody of Jordie
埃文·钱德勒想要乔迪的监护权
because in order to coerce a child into saying something that's not true,
如果你想强迫一个孩子撒谎的话
you need time with that child.
你需要和他待上一段时间
Evan Chandler goes to custody court and says,
埃文·钱德勒去了监护权法庭说
"I want to have a week of custody with my son,"
我想要监护我儿子一周时间
and June Chandler agrees on the basis
然后茱恩·钱德勒同意了
that he'll be returned after 7 days.
前提是埃文·钱德勒在7天后将他归还
And he never gave him back. He kept him.
但他再也没有把他还回去
He never brought him back, and during that time that he had him,
他一直留着他 在这段时间里他再也没有送他回去
he came into my office and he was behind closed doors with my attorney
他来我的办公室 会关上门和律师在一起
The Jordie Chandler was.
我说的是乔迪·钱德勒
I actually opened up the door one day. I was leaving,
有一天 我准备走时 我打开了门
and I opened up the door and Jordie was in the back!
当时我打开门 发现乔迪在后面
And he kind of looked a little startled when- Because I looked and I saw him
他有点惊慌失措 因为我看着他町着他
And I was like nobody in the office knew that he was even there.
我的反应就像 办公室里没有人知道他竟在那里
You know, we're like, "How did he even get here?"
你懂吧 我们都觉得"他怎么会在那里的"
and I opened up the door,
就在我打开门的时候
So I had a few encounters with Jordie Chandler coming into the office,
所以我在乔迪·钱德勒来办公室的时候 和他有过几次遭遇
and to me, it just looked like a coaching session.
在我看来那看上去就像在上指导课
While Jordan was in Evan's custody,
就在乔迪在埃文的监护下的这段时间里
Evan sedated him with a drug called sodium amytal.
埃文开始给他使用一种叫阿米妥钠的药
He did this supposedly so that he could perform a dental procedure,
他说是这是为了牙科治疗
But it's a very dubious story that he's telling
但他所说的故事非常可疑
because there's no reason to use sodium amytal for a dental procedure.
因为牙科治疗里不需要使用阿米妥钠
He gives him this drug, which has a reputation in the 1980s as a truth serum.
他给他使用的这种药 在80年代被当作能让人说真话的"吐真剂"
The problem is that sodium amytal is not a truth serum.
但问题是阿米妥钠不是吐真剂
In just around 1993, the evidence was beginning to emerge that in fact
就在1993年研究证据开始浮现
sodium amytal was the opposite of a truth serum.
阿米妥钠恰恰是吐真剂的反面
It made people highly suggestible.
它会让人在药物影响下很容易被诱导
So, by today, by 2000s, Psychology Today and other journals
多年来一直都被人误用作吐真剂 但如今 在进入新世纪后
were saying that it was completely false
《今日心理学 》等科学刊物都在说
that sodium amytal had a reputation as a truth serum.
把阿米妥钠当作吐真剂是完全错误的
So, I'm just gonna take a step back for everyone.
那么我想退后一步梳理一下这件事
Evan Chandler makes a phone call to David Schwartz
埃文·钱德勒给大卫·施瓦茨打电♥话♥
talking about how he is going to make allegations against Michael Jackson.
说他要起诉迈克尔·杰克逊
Jordan Chandler subsequently denies all allegations.
乔迪·钱德勒否认所有对迈克尔·杰克逊的指控
Evan Chandler then gets custody of Jordan Chandler and never returns him.
埃文·钱德勒拿到了乔迪·钱德勒的监护权 并且再未将他送还
It was only supposed to be for a week,
监护时间本来只有一周而这此期间
and during this period that
据我们所知
Evan Chandler had Jordan Chandler, there were numerous unethical methods
埃文在乔迪·钱德勒身上采用了
that we know of being used against Jordan,
大量的不道德手段
notably the use of sodium amytal
特别是使用阿米妥钠
And the one on one coaching between Jordan Chandler and Barry Rothman.
还有乔迪·钱德勒和巴里·罗斯曼之间一对一的指导
So by the end of Jordan's stay, he changes his story.
因此当乔迪待在父亲那边到最后 他改变了他的故事
He went into Evan's custody saying that
他在埃文的监护下
he wasn't abused by Michael Jackson
把故事从"没有被迈克尔·杰克逊性侵过"
to now claiming that, "Yes, in fact, I had been abused."
变成了现在号♥称的“是的 事实上我被他性侵了”
So Charles with this new shocking statement by Jordan Chandler,
那么 查理 当乔迪·钱德勒发出了 新的让人震惊的声明后
what are Evan Chandler's next moves?
埃文·钱德勒的下一步是做什么呢
So after Jordan changes his story,
在乔迪改变他的说法后
Evan, instead of going straight to the police-
埃文没有像一个正常家长会做的那样
as you'd expect a parent to do if their child has just said that they've been
听说自己的孩子被一个人性侵后
that they'd been sexually abused by someone,
马上去报♥警♥
goes directly to Michael Jackson and his legal team
反而直接找到了迈克尔·杰克逊和他的法律团队
and starts demanding $20 million.
并索要两千万美元
But Evan had a desire to be a filmmaker.
埃文想做一个电影制♥作♥人
He was trying to get the money so he can make a movie.
他想弄到这笔钱去拍电影
So when Evan meets Michael to confront him and demand the money,
所以当埃文见到迈克尔与他对质并要钱时
There were witnesses in the room who said
房♥间里的其他目击者回忆说
that he threw his arms around Michael
他当时用手臂抱住迈克尔
and greeted him with a hug, like an old friend.
给了他一个大大的拥抱就像老朋友一样
I was seated in our big conference room next to Michael
我坐在我们的大会议室里 旁边就是迈克尔
and the father came into the room and saw Michael
那位父亲走进房♥间 看见了迈克尔
and went quickly across the room and hugged him and
然后迅速穿过房♥间 拥抱他
said, "Michael, it's been so long since I've seen you."
然后说 "迈克尔 我好久没见到你了"
which was just... flabbergasting!
我简直... 目瞪口呆
because here's a- here's a father claiming
因为 这位父亲声称
that this man had abused his son sexually
这个男人对他的儿子进行了性♥虐♥待
and rushes across the room to hug him?
而他却冲过房♥间拥抱了他
Impossible!
难以置信
Evan's lawyer gets in touch with Michael Jackson's camp and says,
埃文的律师联♥系♥到了迈克尔·杰克逊的阵营 并对他说
“$20 million and nobody will ever hear about these allegations."
只要拿出2000万美元 就没有人会知道这些指控
But Michael Jackson is adamant that he is
但迈克尔坚决表示
NOT going to give Evan Chandler $20 million.
不会给埃文·钱德勒2000万美元
The counter offer which comes back from Michael Jackson's camp
后来杰克逊阵营还了价
is a deal for 3 scripts and they say, "You'll be paid $350,000 per script."
提出了包括三个剧本的合同 他们说你每写一个剧本就会拿到35万美元
He said, "I'll contribute that to your film project,
迈克尔说"我可以为你的电影项目出钱"
just to give you and your son a chance to bond, to mend,
只是为了给你和你的儿子一个和好的机会
because at that time, Evan was saying,
因为当时埃文说
"He's stolen my son's affection."
杰克逊夺走了他儿子的爱
He put that in the paperwork. He said,
他把这些也写进了文书里
"My son is being starstruck by this superstar.
他宣称他儿子疯狂崇拜这位超级巨星
He's stolen my friends affection".
迈克尔夺走了他儿子的情感
and so Michael just simply said,
所以迈克尔只是说
"This would be a great opportunity for you and Jordan to reconnect
这是一个让你和乔迪父子重聚的好机会
because you'll be able to write them together."
你可以把这个写进去
Rothman comes back and says, "That's nowhere near what we're asking for.
罗斯曼交涉回来后说"这跟我们要求的差距太大"
That's less than $2 million, you know? We're not going for that."
比200万美金还少 我们才不是为了这么点钱
Michael's camp then makes another offer which is for a
但接下来杰克逊团队给出了另外一个方案
single script paid at $350,000-
那就是只花35万美元买♥♥一个剧本
a third of what they'd initially offered.
仅仅是他们最初出价的三分之一
Barry Rothman is shocked by the low figure.
巴里·罗斯曼对这么低的报价非常震惊
In response to that, Evan panics and starts trying
对此埃文惊慌失措
to go back to the million dollar deal, and
想要重新回到谈判桌谈100万美金的方案
Anthony Pellicano comes back and says, "That's never going to happen."
但安东尼·佩利卡诺回来说"这绝无可能"
Let me ask you for the last time: he has rejected the deal, period?
让我最后一次问你 他拒绝了这笔交易 是吗
- For one project? - Yes.
- 为了一个项目吗 - 对
- OK, so then there is no deal. - Right!
- 好吧 那就是没有交易了 - 对
- Remember? I said take it or leave it- - Bingo! Bingo!
- 还记得吗 我说了要么接受要么放弃 - 没错 答对 了
OK. Then we don't have to have a discussion about this again.
好的 那我们就不用再讨论这个了
OK Alright.
好的 可以
That's where it's at.
这就是它的情况
I've already told you that we think this is an extortion attempt from the beginning.
我已经告诉过你 我们从一开始就认为这是一次勒索
I've already made those statements
我已经一次又一次地...
Well you can say that!
好 你可以这么说
time and time again.
发表了这些声明
You can say that, Anthony. I understand!
你可以这么说 安东尼 我明白
but it fell apart because you offered 3 and then recanted on it.
但它失败了 因为你提出了3个 然后又放弃了
Meanwhile, the custody situation happens between Evan and June.
同时埃文和茱恩之间也开始争夺监护权
but what happened was June filed an ex parte motion
但接下来茱恩单方面提出了申请
An ex parte motion means: show up in court the next day.
单方申请意味着第二天要出庭
She was trying to get him back now,
她现在想要回儿子
and so we typed a little declaration, and they went to court.
所以我们起草了一份小小的宣言书 然后他们双方都有出庭