I saw his name for the first time, which was Jordan Chandler.
我第一次看到他的名字叫乔迪·钱德勒
and I believe he told me his first name,
我想他告诉过我他的名字
but I didn't know his last name at that point.
但在那时我并不知道他的姓氏
And when I saw Jordan Chandler on a piece of paper, I just-
当我在一张纸上看到乔迪·钱德勒时
I couldn't quite place it then either.
我不能很好地对号♥入座
Um, it just sounded very very familiar,
但另一方面是这名字听起来非常非常的熟悉
and keep in mind, at the time , um,
记得在那时候
Jordan Chandler's name wasn't widely known
乔迪·钱德勒这个名字并不广为人知
because in the U.S., you know, alleged crimes of sex abuse,
因为在美国你知道 声称受到性♥虐♥待的罪行的话
particularly when they're minors, are very protected.
尤其他们是未成年人时 他们是非常受保护的
But I went online, and I Asked Jeeves, dating myself
但是我上网去问和我约会的男生吉夫斯
and um, I suddenly realized that he was in fact the first accuser from 1993.
我突然就意识到 他就是乔迪·钱德勒 1993年的第一位原告
So Evan Chandler and June Chandler, originally June Wong,
埃文·钱德勒和茱恩·钱德勒 原名叫茱恩·王
had a child named Jordan Chandler who turns out to be the first alleged victim.
茱恩·钱德勒生了个孩子叫乔迪·钱德勒 就是第一个所谓的受害者
June Chandler divorced Evan Chandler and married a man named David Schwartz.
茱恩·钱德勒与埃文·钱德勒离婚 并改嫁了一个名叫大卫·施瓦兹的人
Charles, can you tell me about Evan Chandler?
查尔斯你可以告诉我关于埃文·钱德勒的事吗
So Evan Chandler was born in New York.
那个埃文·钱德勒出生在纽约
He was actually born Evan Charmatz, but he wanted a career as a screenwriter,
出生时是叫埃文·查麦兹 但是他想做一名编剧
so he moved to California and changed his name from Charmatz to Chandler
所以他搬到加利福尼亚州 并且姓氏由"查麦兹"改为"钱德勒"
because he thought that Charmatz was too Jewish-sounding.
因为他认为查麦兹听起来像犹太人
He became a dentist, but he didn't really enjoy
他成了一名牙医 但他不喜欢这个工作
it and also was not really very good at it.
而且他也不很擅长当牙医
He was censured by the regulatory board for shoddy work.
他因工作糟糕而受到监管委员会的审查
He was also accused at one point
他曾经还一度被指控性侵
of sexually assaulting a female patient while he was working on her.
被指控在治疗一名女性患者时对其进行性侵犯
He had a very kind of a brief career as a screenwriter.
他曾有过一段非常短暂的编剧生涯
He got a screenwriting credit around 1993 on the film, 'Robin Hood: Men in Tights'.
1993年左右 他凭电影《罗宾汉也疯狂》获得过一个编剧署名
Apparently, he was working on Mel Brooks when he came up with the 'Men in Tights' idea-
显然 他是在和梅尔·布鲁克斯制♥作♥电影《罗宾汉也疯狂》的时候
or he said his son came up with the 'Men in Tights' idea-
或者他说他儿子想出了《罗宾汉也疯狂》的主意
this is the same 13-year-old boy,
这正是指的同一个13岁的男孩
And apparently, maybe Mel was under some kind of ether or anesthetic
显然梅尔·布鲁克斯正受到某种乙♥醚♥谜或麻醉剂的影响
but he decided it was a great idea and went along with the dentist
但他认为这是个好主意 并联手这个牙医
and they put the movie together.
一起商讨出了这部电影
I would imagine a dentist to the stars would be exposed
在我的印象中作为明星的牙医
to a lot of the glamour in Hollywood.
他每天都能接触到很多好莱坞名流
He can see his successful customers talking on the phone making deals
他常常看到那些腰缠万贯的顾客们
and it looks so easy to someone on the outside, you know?
在电♥话♥里聊几句就把生意给谈拢了
And he figured he wanted to get a little piece of the pie and get you know?
你知道的在外行人眼中 演艺圈赚钱好像很容易
Stop drilling teeth and maybe become a producer and really make some big bucks.
所以他也想分到一小块蛋糕 想入这行当个制♥作♥人 然后一夜暴富
So Michael Jackson is in Los Angeles with some of his team
迈克尔·杰克逊和他团队里的一些人
and they're driving along
当时就在洛杉矶
Wilshire Boulevard in Beverly Hills and the car breaks down.
有一次 他们的车在贝弗利山的威尔夏大道上抛锚了
There's a lady in the area who sees Michael Jackson stranded by the side of the road
一位在场的女士见迈克尔·杰克逊被困在路边
and calls her husband
于是立即给她丈夫打了电♥话♥
who works at a business called Rent-A-Wreck, which is a car rental business.
她丈夫在一家名为“租辆破车”的汽车租赁公♥司♥上班
Rent-A-Wreck is owned by Dave Schwartz.
这家公♥司♥的老板 就是戴夫·施瓦茨
So Dave Schwartz calls his wife June
于是施瓦茨给妻子茱恩打了电♥话♥
because he knows that Jordan Chandler, her son, is a massive Michael Jackson fan.
因为他知道她儿子乔迪·钱德勒是杰克逊的狂热粉丝
There was one employee at Rent-A-Wreck who said that when June arrived,
茱恩来了之后 当时一个店里的员工说
she was kind of forcing Jordie on Michael Jackson,
她一切所作所为 根本就是在逼着乔迪粘上迈克尔·杰克逊
almost like trying to emotionally blackmail him.
甚至还试图从情感上勒索杰克逊
So that's how the numbers got exchanged and they ended up staying in touch.
就这样他们互留了电♥话♥号♥码 开始有了联♥系♥
Michael So, a friendship develops between Jackson and the Chandler family,
所以迈克尔·杰克逊和钱德勒一家就是这么认识的
excluding Evan Chandler.
除了埃文·钱德勒
During this period, Michael Jackson would have stay-overs at their house.
在这期间 迈克尔·杰克逊还去他们家过夜
They would come over and sleepover at Michael Jackson’s house.
他们也会过去迈克尔·杰克逊的家过夜
Where is Evan Chandler during this period of time?
埃文·钱德勒当时在哪呢
Evan Chandler was pretty much an absent father.
埃文·钱德勒跟儿子几乎没有什么来往
He owed almost $70,000 in unpaid child support.
他拖欠了将近7万美元的抚养费
He had been rowing with June about how infrequently he was seeing his son.
茱恩经常跟他吵架 因为他太少来看儿子
She was trying to get Evan to take Jordan more often and he was refusing.
她想让埃文多带带乔迪 但埃文拒绝这样
He had his own new family, like June did.
因为和茱恩一样他也有了新家庭
He'd remarried and had kids with another lady, and
他也跟另一个女人再婚了 还有了几个孩子
they were struggling to get Evan to engage with Jordie.
所以他们一直因为想努力 让埃文和乔迪建立联♥系♥ 而争吵
It was not until he discovered that his son was now
不过当埃文发现他的儿子
friends with Michael Jackson
跟迈克尔·杰克逊成了朋友之后
That he suddenly became interested in seeing him again.
他忽然就来了兴趣主动开始跟儿子见面了
My recollection was that he was not very interested in Jordie,
我记得 在朱迪与迈克尔交往之前
prior to the time that Jordie took up with Michael
他对乔迪不是很感兴趣
and as soon as Jordie took up with Michael,
到后来乔迪一与迈克尔开始交往
Evan became the most interested parent in the world.
埃文就成了世界上最感兴趣的父母
They seemed to be getting on quite well
他们一开始相处得好像还不错
Evan even at one point asked him to build an extra wing onto the house
埃文甚至想让迈克尔 在他的房♥子里多修间客房♥
so he could come and stay more often
方便他更经常来作客
And then when that idea didn't work,
当这个想法行不通时
he said, "Well, I've got a better idea.
他说"好吧 我还有个更好的主意"
Why don't you just build me a new house?"
你干脆给我盖幢新房♥子吧
and then that didn't happen either,
这当然也没行通
June dropped the bombshell that she and Jordie were
就在这时茱恩朝他扔来一个重磅炸♥弹♥
thinking of going on tour with Michael,
她打算带着乔迪跟迈克尔去巡演
and then Evan, who previously had been an absent father and wasn't paying his child support,
这个曾经都连影子都见不到 抚养费都不支付
and wasn't really interested in seeing his son at all,
对儿子不闻不问的父亲
all of a sudden became enraged about the idea that Jordan would be out of the country for a few months
突然间就对乔迪 要出国玩几个月的事大发雷霆
and that was when the relationship really took a
从那时起他们的关系就
dramatic turn towards the negative.
急转直下
What happened was Evan had begun making strange comments and threats to June and Dave and Jordan
事情开始了 埃文开始行事诡异 不断骚扰 茱恩 戴夫 和乔迪
about Michael that he was going to make allegations.
还威胁他们说他要起诉迈克尔
He was behaving so erratically,
他简直走火入魔了
that they feared he was going to do something crazy
所以他们担心他会做出出格的事情来
So the next time they spoke to him on the phone, they tape recorded him.
所以当他们再次给他打电♥话♥时 他们给通话内容录了音
This man is going to be humiliated beyond belief.
这人将身败名裂
He will not believe what is going to happen to him,
他肯定都不敢相信他会遭遇什么
beyond- beyond his worst nightmares.
肯定比他最可怕的梦还要恐怖
He will not sell one more record.
他再也卖♥♥不出一张唱片
If I go through with this, I win big time. I will get everything I want.
如果这件事成了 我就是大赢家 我会得到我想要的一切...
They will be destroyed forever.
而他们将被永远毁掉
That's a fact, Dave. Michael's career will be over.
这是事实 戴夫 迈克尔的职业生涯就要结束了
And does that help Jordie?
这能帮到乔迪吗?
That's irrelevant to me.
那与我无关
He's talking about how he's furious that Michael has stop phoning him
他还说 他非常生气 迈克尔不再给他打电♥话♥了
and stopped taking his calls,
也不再接他的电♥话♥了
and how Michael has stolen his ex-wife and torn the family apart
还说 迈克尔如何偷走了他的前妻 让他们一家分崩离析
and how he's plotting his revenge,
他还提到了策划他的复仇
And he says that, "Everything is moving in accordance with a plan that's not just mine."
他说"一切都会按计划执行 而且参与者不止他一个"
and this phone call occurred BEFORE Jordan Chandler made any allegations against Michael Jackson,
打这通电♥话♥时 乔迪·钱德勒还未对迈克尔·杰克逊提出任何指控
And in this phone call, Evan Chandler alludes to a "nasty attorney".
而埃文·钱德勒还在这通电♥话♥中提及了一个阴险狡诈的律师
This attorney I found, and I interviewed SEVERAL-
我面谈好几个律师才定下这个
and I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find.
他是我能找到的手段最航脏的王八蛋
Once I make that phone call,
我才刚打电♥话♥过去
this guy's just going to destroy everybody in sight
这家伙就已经准备好送所有人下地狱了
in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it.
他会用尽各种航脏残忍♥下流的手段
And I've given him full authority to do that.
而我将授予他一切权利 去把事情做成
It will be a- a massacre if I don't get what I want.
要是我没得到我想要的 那就会有一场大屠♥杀♥
and that attorney turns out to be Barry Rothman.
而他雇用的律师 就是巴里·罗斯曼
My name is Geraldine Hughes.
我是杰拉尔丁·休斯
I was the legal secretary in 1993 for Barry Rothman,
我曾在1993年担任巴里·罗斯曼的法律秘书
who was the attorney of Evan Chandler,
他是埃文·钱德勒的律师
The first accuser that came against Michael on child molestation.
也就是第一个起诉迈克尔变童的指控者
I was working for him, he hired me.
我当时在他手下工作 是他雇用的我
When I came in for an interview one day,
当时我前往参加面试
and he hired me for the job as his legal secretary.
然后他就录用我做他的法律秘书
I was the only legal secretary for him.
我是他的唯一的法律秘书
He was really an entertainment attorney
他其实专门打娱乐圈官司
and he had a history of being a good negotiator in the entertainment field, though.
他是娱乐圈内出了名的谈判专家
Whenever Evan would call Barry Rothman's office,
每次埃文给巴里·罗斯曼的办公室打电♥话♥
Barry Rothman would tell us to put the call on hold
巴里·罗斯曼都会让我们先保持呼叫
and he'd walk all the way back to his office, shut the door,
然后他会径直走回办公室关上门
And that's how he took all of Evan's calls.
他每次都是这么接埃文的电♥话♥的
He was the only client he did that for.
他只有在接埃文的电♥话♥时才这样
Anybody else call, if he was at-away from his office,
如果其他委托人打电♥话♥来 要是他办公室离得远
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