世界头号通缉犯（2020）

于是我给联邦外国人办公室的负责人打电♥话♥
So I called the director of the Federal Office for Foreigners.
我记得告诉他
And I remember telling him,
"你不能让这个战争犯离开"
"You can't let this war criminal leave."
然后 几天后
And then, a couple days later,
我才知道费利西安·卡布加
I learned that Félicien Kabuga
登上了一架去日内瓦的飞机
had boarded a plane in Geneva.
我感到异常地愤怒与无力
I was overwhelmed with a feeling of rage and powerlessness.
费利西安·卡布加被驱逐出境
FÉLICIEN KABUGA DEPORTED
卡布加案 公开调查
OPEN INVESTIGATION
他在这里有银行账户
He had his bank account here.
当然是一个百万富翁的 信誉良好的账户
It was a well credited account of course, that of a millionaire.
他还被给予了时间去完全清空他的账户
And he was given time to completely empty his account.
他带着他所有的钱 离开了瑞士
He left Switzerland with all his money.
甚至他离开的时候
He even managed to leave
是瑞士政♥府♥给他付的机票
with a ticket paid for by Switzerland,
和他全家人一起离开的
with his whole family.
真是难以置信
This is unbelievable.
这是政♥治♥怯弱的决定
It's a decision of political cowardice
是在暗示 "我们不想卷入一个遥远国家的
to say, "We are not going to burden ourselves with a trial
侵犯人♥权♥案件 给自己带来负担"
in violation of human rights in a distant country."
最简单的办法 就是让这位先生登上飞机
The easiest is to put this gentleman on a plane.
那时 我根本无法理解 非常愤怒
At that moment, for me, it is incomprehension, it's anger.
瑞士
For Switzerland,
人♥权♥的故乡 联♥合♥国♥的所在地
homeland of human rights, which hosts the United Nations,
没有预见到问题的严重性
to not anticipate this serious issue,
至少也应该为了预防 让卡布加
at least for the sake of prevention, keep Mr. Kabuga
留在瑞士 把案子弄清楚 在我看来
in Switzerland in order to clarify the case,
这是完全无法理解的
for me it is completely incomprehensible.
根本无法理解 直到今天 依然如此
Absolutely incomprehensible, still now.
我们没有为种族灭绝做好心理准备
We were not ready for the genocide.
没有为种族灭绝的后果做好心理准备
And not ready for the aftermath of the genocide.
应该落实措施
Mechanisms need to be put in place to prevent
来阻止这些罪犯的移♥动♥
movement of these perpetrators.
然而这些措施 并没有落实
Those mechanisms were not in place.
所以他们可以自♥由♥移♥动♥
So they were able to move about freely.
离开瑞士后
After leaving Switzerland,
卡布加去了金沙萨
Kabuga left for Kinshasa.
金沙萨无疑是个大城市
Kinshasa is certainly a big city,
但是没有那么多国际级别的酒店
but with few international class hotels.
真的 当时就只有两家
There were just two back then.
所以我们想 我们有二分之一的概率
So, we thought we had one in two chances
能找对
to find the right one.
我们决定试着去找他
And we decide to try to find him.
我们去了洲际酒店 我决定去试试
We go to Intercontinental. And I decided to go for it.
我去了前台 我说
I went to the reception and said,
"我们想和费利西安·卡布加聊聊"
"We would like to talk to Mr. Félicien Kabuga."
前台接待员看了一下登记表
The receptionist looks in her sheets
然后说 "这是他的房♥间 我给他打电♥话♥"
and says, "It's this room, I'll call him."
她打了电♥话♥ 我介绍了我自己
She calls, I introduce myself,
瑞士广播的记者
journalist from Swiss Radio.
他接受了 我们上楼 去了费利西安·卡布加的房♥间
He accepts, and we go up to Félicien Kabuga's room.
...去看医生 或者为了做生意
...To see a doctor or for business.
但是除此之外 他谁都不认识
But beyond that, he didn't know anyone.
他当时和他的家人在一起
He was with his family,
他的孩子和妻子在另一个房♥间
so his children and wife were in the other room.
他非常平静
He was totally calm.
他认为他被瑞士驱逐出境 很不公平
He thought it was unfair that he was deported
因为是按照流程寻求庇护的
since he followed the procedure to seek asylum.
他决定说他的本国语言
He decides to speak in his own language,
让他的女儿翻译
and his daughter translates.
你到达日内瓦的时候 他们问你问题了吗
Did they ask you questions when you arrived in Geneva?
没有什么特别的问题
There was no particular question,
签证是有效的
the visa was valid.
他以平常入境的方式入境
He entered as he would usually enter.
当然 他否认了对种族灭绝的任何直接参与
Of course, he denied any direct involvement in the genocide.
他把自己描述成一个商人
He described himself as a businessman
在卢旺达投资不同的公♥司♥
who invested in different companies in Rwanda,
包括千山广播电台
including the Radio des Mille Collines.
我只是一个股东 我不是唯一的股东
I was just a shareholder and I was not the only one.
我们投资了一个单纯的商业电台
We invested in a simple commercial radio.
我们只是想让电台成功 让那些
We just wanted the radio to be a success and be open toxa0those
想在上面做广♥告♥的人 可以做广♥告♥
who wanted to advertise on it.
那时 我们已经知道
By then, we already knew
千山广播电台确实是
that Radio des Mille Collines
种族灭绝的一个主要教唆者
was onexa0of the main instigators of the genocide.
图西族的蟑螂们想毁掉我们的日常生活
Tutsi-cockroaches want to harm our daily lives!
这些人非常坏
These people are very bad,
他们的种族非常坏
their race is bad.
卡布加是千山广播电台的创立者之一
Kabuga was one of the founders and a major financier
是主要的资金提供者...
of Radio television libre des Mille Collines...
电台成立于1993年
established in 1993.
观众朋友们 这里是千山广播电台 基加利的免费广播
Dear audience, it's RTLM! Kigali's free radio,
调频106.94
which broadcasts on 106.94!
如果没有这个电台
Without the radio,
在我看来 种族灭绝的程度不可能
in my view, the genocide would have never reached the magnitude
达到实际那么大
that it actually did.
如果没有这个电台 他们就无法
They would not have been able to mobilize
有效动员全部人♥民♥ 去反对一个特定的族群
effectively an entire population against a particular group.
这个电台...
The radio was...
很可能是种族灭绝中 最强大的武器
probably the most powerful weapon in the genocide.
观众朋友们 这里是千山广播电台
Dear audience, it's RTLM!
基加利的免费广播 调频106.94
Kigali's free radio, which broadcasts on 106.94!
图西族没有人像卡布加那么有钱 所以不要 再吹嘘了
There's no Tutsi as rich as Kabuga! So stop bragging!
我没开玩笑 你们一定会被灭绝的
I'm not joking, you'll be exterminated.
我们来组织一下 灭绝他们所有人
Let's organize to eliminate them all
让我们的孩子和孙子 永远不用再听到
so that our children and great grandchildren never ever hear
我们叫"图西族"的那个东西
about the thing we call "Tutsis".
正如我经常告诉大家的
As I often tell you,
图西族的蟑螂们会生吃活人 他们是食人族
Tutsi cockroaches eat human flesh and they are cannibals.
抵♥制♥蟑螂
Cockroaches resist!
它们最讨厌的地方是 我们不断地去弄死
They are annoying because we kill them over and over,
不断地去碾碎 但是永远都无法把它们灭绝
we crush them, but it's impossible to exterminate them!
真的 我曾经
I had, it's true,
有非常强烈的 反对图西族的声音
a very strong voice against the Tutsis.
我们说 他们是可以杀你们的禽兽
We said that they are animals that can kill you.
图西族的小孩子
The little children of the Tutsis
也是敌人
were also enemies.
等他们长大了 就会杀了你
They will kill you once they grow up.
当时 我们以为是真的
At the time, we thought it was true. I thought it was true.
我们知道...
We knew...
我们非常清楚 卡布加是大老板
we knew very well that it was Kabuga who was the big boss.
我总能见到他 因为他会去电台
I saw him all the time because he came to the radio.
我见过他几次
I saw him several times several times.
他是个空想家
He was the ideologue.
如果他不是空想家
If he had not been an ideologue,
就不会建立这个电台
he couldn't have established this radio
给我们要遵守的规定了
and given the line to follow.
费利西安·卡布加是卢旺达最有钱的人
Félicien Kabuga was the richest man in Rwanda.
他是这个国家北部一个非常成功的商人
He was a very successful businessman from the north of the country.
卡布加太有钱了
Kabuga was so rich
我们附近有邻居变有钱了
that when someone in the neighborhood got rich,
就会称呼这个人为"卡布加"
we called him a "Kabuga".
和足球明星差不多有名
He was comparable to a soccer star.
他路过的时候 每个人都能认出他的车
When he passed, everyone recognized his car.
能透过车窗看到他 但是没有人见过他的脸
He was shining through. But no one ever saw his face.
于是他在积累自己的财富时
So as he built that wealth,
也积累起了自己的人脉 与胡图族
he also built the political connections
不同领导之间的政♥治♥联♥系♥
with all these various Hutu leaders.
开始支持
And began to support
灭绝的极端思想 支持灭绝图西族
the extremist views to annihilate and eliminate the Tutsis.