捷克伙伴：寻找伊日·门泽尔（2018）

以至于我们可以一起睡觉。
so much that we could go to bed together.
但是。。。没别的了。
But... nothing more.
伊日·门泽尔声称，帮助他在正常生活中幸存下来的方法之一
Jiří Menzel claimed that one of the ways that helped him survive Normalisation
和一个女人上♥床♥，然后又和另一个女人上♥床♥
was climbing into bed with one woman, then another woman, and that
帮助他在正常生活中幸存下来。
helped him a bit to survive Normalisation.
他对表现色情的嗜好
His penchant for presenting eroticism
以半戏剧化的方式
in a semi-theatrical manner
甚至他的主角
and even his protagonists
是唐璜，女人主义者。
are Don Juans, womanisers.
门泽尔总是对半裸感兴趣。
Menzel is always interested in semi-nudity.
总有偷♥窥♥的成分
There is always an element of voyeurism
无论主题或故事如何，它总是与他同在。
and it is always present with him, whatever the theme or story.
好。。。你知道的
Well... You know
没有女孩就拍不出好电影。
you can't make a nice movie without girls.
但她们必须是漂亮的女孩。
But they have to be pretty girls.
这也许是我的弱点，但是。。。我不知道别的办法。
It may be my weakness, but... I know no other way.
我得喜欢那些女孩。
I have to like the girls.
有时，他们中的一个会死在这里。
Sometimes, one of them ends up here.
伊莱斯卡，上面有个蜘蛛网
Eliška, there's a cobweb up there
在最上面
on the very top
在那个钟上。。。
on that clock...
很好。
Good.
明白了。
Got this.
可爱的问题。
Lovely questions.
最后，安静的地方！
Finally, quiet place!
所以。。。你怎么认为？
So... what do you think?
因为我们背后有民♥主♥和法治。
As we have Democracy and the Rule of Law behind us.
有一天我们在街上相遇，他问我怎么样
One day we met on the street and he asked me how I was
我们一起去喝了杯咖啡，一直在笑。
and we went for a coffee together and we laughed all the time.
我们玩得很开心，我吃了大约两个糕点
We had lots of fun and I ate about two pastries
最后当我们分手的时候，他说
and in the end when we were parting, he said
“玛格达，我有剧本。。。你能看一下吗？”
"Magda, I have a script... Would you take a look at it?"
我对制片人说我找到了女演员瓦沙里奥娃夫人。
And I said to the producer that I found the actress, Mrs. Vašáryová.
制片人告诉我我疯了-她每天都表演
And the producer told me I was crazy - she acted daily
在布拉迪斯拉发的剧院里，真的很远。
in the theatre in Bratislava, really far away.
她也在电视台工作，她不太适合制♥作♥。
She worked for TV as well, and she wasn't ideal for the production.
我给布拉迪斯拉发的玛格达打了电♥话♥
I called Magda in Bratislava
当她听到我的声音，她问：“吉尔卡，你看到我的留言了吗？”
and when she heard my voice she asked, "Jirka, you saw my message?"
那只是一张明信片，我在上面写的
It was just a postcard and I wrote on it
“我很喜欢这本书。我把冰箱倒空了。你的，玛格达。”
"I like the book a lot. I've emptied the fridge. Yours, Magda."
我意识到，看在上帝的份上，就是这样。
And I realised, for God's sake, that this was it.
这是一个懂得如何生活的女人。
This is a woman who knows how to live, in every sense of the word.
我遇到了赫拉巴洛娃夫人，赫拉巴勒先生的母亲
I met Mrs. Hrabalová, the mother of Mr. Hrabal
当她还活着的时候。她真是个淑女。
when she was still alive. She was a real lady.
赫拉巴尔先生写道她是镇上的女王。。。
Mr. Hrabal writes she was queen of the town...
她很漂亮，很受人敬佩。
she was beautiful, she was admired.
他是在母亲未婚的时候怀上的，而他真正的父亲。。。
He was conceived while his mother was unmarried, and his real father...
战争来了，他不得不去打仗。所以他们没有结婚。
the war came and he had to go fight. So they did not marry.
然后她生了个孩子开始在一家酿酒厂工作。。。
And then she had a baby and she started to work in a brewery...
在宁伯克，我想。酿酒厂的管理者向她求婚。
in Nymburk, I guess. And the administrator of the brewery asked to marry her.
他把这一切都写进了他的小说，缩短了篇幅
He incorporated all this in his novel Cutting it Short
伊日·门泽尔以一种巧妙的方式对其进行了改编
which Jiří Menzel adapted in an ingenious way
使之成为世界上最精彩的电影之一
making it perhaps one of the most wonderful films of
我想说，流行文化。
I would say, popular culture.
后来，我们在摩拉维亚某地拍摄
And later, we filmed somewhere in Moravia
有人来对他说
and some man came to him and said
赫拉巴尔的亲生父亲就在附近，想见见他。
that Hrabal's real father was nearby and wanted to meet him.
赫拉巴尔先生告诉他是他父亲把他养大的
And Mr. Hrabal told him that his father was the one who'd raised him
他不想见他父亲。
and that he didn't want to see his father.
这是我内心的另一件事。。。
That's the other thing I keep in myself...
做父亲不是。。。不在精♥子♥里。父亲的身份在养育和养育
Fatherhood isn't... isn't in the sperm. Fatherhood is in the raising and
父亲是多么关心孩子。
how much the father is concerned about the baby.
我们爬烟囱时，他转过身来
When we were climbing the chimney, he turned back
他用手捂住眼睛，一直问：“我倒下了吗？我情绪低落吗？”
covered his eyes with his hands and asked all the time, "Am I down yet? Am I down?"
他很害怕。。。但我从不害怕。
He was scared... But I'm never scared.
吉尔卡·门泽尔，因为他是个艺术家，我是说他是个马戏团演员
Jirka Menzel, because he is a bit of an artiste, I mean a circus performer
先开始爬烟囱。他告诉我们，“看，没什么”。
started climbing the chimney first. He showed us, "Look, it's nothing".
就在他之后，玛格达开始攀爬。
And right after him, Magda started climbing.
导演和女主角都在攀岩
With the director and lead actress climbing
我别无选择，只好也爬上去。对吗？
I had no option but to climb as well. Right?
我们把烟囱顶建在另一栋楼顶上
We built the top of the chimney on the roof of another building
只有一米半。
and it was just one and half metres.
那是在扇子的帮助下拍摄的头发飘逸的场景。
That is where the scene with the flowing hair was shot, with the help of a fan.
演员们显然没有爬上20米
The actors obviously do not climb the 20 metres
只有前两步，三步。。。
only the first two, three steps...
我仍然记得80年代的时候有人告诉我，缩短时间是为了我
I still remember the revelation that Cutting it Short was for me in the 80s
和玛格达·瓦萨里奥娃在一起。
with Magda Vašáryová.
他给她做了一个偶像，一个留着长发的美丽女神
He made her an icon, a beautiful goddess with that long hair
喝一品脱啤酒。
drinking a pint of beer.
他总是对情♥色♥有天赋，认为每个女人都很漂亮
He always had a gift for the erotic, seeing every woman as beautiful
他能以这样的方式表达出来
and he's able to present it in such a way
观看的人一定会爱上她
that the person watching must fall in love with her
不管她是洗衣女还是伯爵夫人。
whether she is a laundress or a countess.
我们在晚上拍的。。。天气很冷。。。只用了三盏小灯。
We shot it at night... it was cold... and used only three little lamps.
我很担心，有一种不好的预感，当我们完成拍摄
I was worried, had a bad feeling, and when we finished shooting
我告诉自己我们得把场景剪掉
I told myself that we'd have to cut the scene
因为我一点都不喜欢。
because I didn't like it at all.
然后我看到了日报，我惊讶地发现
Then I saw the dailies, and I was astonished how
瑟夫能够召唤出大气层。
Šofr is able to conjure up the atmosphere.
他确实是个魔术师。
He is indeed a magician.
不知为什么，那部电影很神奇。
For some reason, that film is magic.
当你看到这部电影的时候一切都是灰色的
When you saw this film in times when everything was grey
恶心，士气低落，关系不好
disgusting, bad morale, bad relationships
一般来说味道很糟
generally terrible taste
他带来了过去美好时光的影像
and he brings in this image of the good old times
还有一些优雅。
and some kind of elegance.
它真的像是一个更好的记忆。。。更好的过去
It really felt like a memory of some better... better past
以及对未来的一线希望。
and a glimpse of hope for the future.
后来我剪的时候
When I was cutting it later
我意识到这部电影太甜蜜，太美好，太田园诗。。。
I realised the movie was too sweet, too rosy, too idyllic...
我需要把它降低一个档次。
I needed to bring it down a notch.
所以，我编了这些故事。。。
So, I made up these stories...
小鲁达一见到佩平叔叔就受伤。
Whenever Junior Ruda sees Uncle Peppin, he gets hurt.
它工作得很好，因为它减轻了浪漫的一点。。。
And it worked very well because it lightened the romantic bit...
不是照本宣科的。
It wasn't scripted.
你必须想出办法，因为你能看见
You must come up with it because you can see
电影正朝着不同的方向发展
that the film is heading in a different direction
变得严肃或多愁善感。
into seriousness or into sentimentality.
还有。。。
And...
所以你必须想出一些噱头来减轻压力。
So you have to come up with gags to lighten it up.
莎士比亚没有什么不同。
Shakespeare did nothing different.
如果哈姆雷特没有。。。
Where would Hamlet be without...
那些。。。掘墓人？
those... the gravediggers?
伊日·门泽尔，已经在剧院当导演了
Jiří Menzel, already when directing in theatre
能够以这样的方式制♥作♥每一个噱头
was capable of building each gag in such a way
在一个特定的地方有一个笑点。
as to have the punchline at a specific place.
这是非常。。。那是数学。
This is very... that's mathematics.
他在拍电影的时候也是这么做的。
And he did the same when working on films.
所有的。。。
All the...
卓别林电影中的打斗
the fights in Chaplin's films
或者劳雷尔和哈代的尴尬处境
or the awkward situations of Laurel and Hardy
这一切都有很大的人的驱动力。
it all has a big human drive in it.
这是一种学习的捷径
It's a sort of a shortcut of
我们在生活中的经历。
what we experience in life.
当你能笑的时候
And when you can laugh at it
那是。。。这里面有很大的教训。
that's... there's a big lesson in it.
所以我才想拍喜剧片
That's why I want to make comedies
因为这些东西。。。
because those are the things that...
在你的头脑和心里停留的时间更长
that stay in your head and heart longer
而不是那些严肃的，自命不凡的东西。
than the serious, pretentious stuff.