我们必须非常客观。
We have to be very objective.
当然不能百分之百地相信。
Okay, not to believe 100%.
问题是,她们是否知道她们在做什么。
The issue is whether they know what they were doing.
她们是否被骗了,以为自己是在上演搞笑秀?
And could they have been duped to believe that they are acting in a prank show?
河内,越南
希萨姆.德.宝.泰克:
HISYAM TEH POH TEIK:
当段氏香长大后,她去河内继续深造。
When Doan grew up, she went to Hanoi to get her education.
虽然她在一所私立大学学习会计,
Although she studied accountancy in a private university,
但在那之后她找不到会计的工作。
after that she couldn't get a job as an accountant.
她最后在一家酒吧当服务员。
She ended up working as a waitress in a pub.
在这段时间里,她在做模特。
And during this time,she was doing modeling.
她还参加了《越南偶像》节目。
And she even took part in Vietnam Idol.
好了。
Okay.
谢谢。
Okay.
她的理想是当一名演员。
Her aspiration is to be an actress.
她渴望成名。
She wants to be famous.
甚至在她向警方所作的供词中,
Even in her statement to the police,
她描述她的职业就是一名演员。
she described her occupation as an actress.
雪邦监狱
2017年二月18日
段氏香陈述
你们需要一名翻译把英语翻译成越南语吗
Do you need an interpreter to translate from English to Vietnamese?
段氏香:不,因为我可以试着说并理解英语。
DOAN: No, because I can try speak and understand English.
段氏香:我做了三年的服务员。
DOAN:I work as waitress for three years.
我有一个同事,叫“阿翠”
I have a colleague named Thuy.
谋杀前两个月
段氏香:2016年12月初
DOAN: In early December 2016,
段氏香:她打了我的手♥机♥。
DOAN:she called my cellphone.
段氏香:她说,
DOAN:She said,
段氏香:“你想为公♥司♥工作吗?去拍摄短片或者搞笑视频?
DOAN:"Do you want working for companyabout short movie or funny video?
段氏香:那就来干草店酒吧。
DOAN:Come to shop Hay Bar.
段氏香:我们等待你来这里应聘。”
DOAN:We are waiting here."
段氏香:我独自一人去了
DOAN:I come alone and
段氏香:我看见阿翠和一个家伙座在吧台的角落。
DOAN: I saw Thuy and a guy sitting near the counter bar.
段氏香:我问他,“你叫什么名字?”
DOAN:I asked him, "What's your name?"
段氏香:他用越南话回答我。
DOAN:And he answered me in Vietnamese language.
段氏香:“叫我Y先生。”
DOAN:"Call me Mr. Y."
段氏香:他给我介绍了搞笑视频。
DOAN:He explained about the funny video.
段氏香:他问我一个月想挣多少钱。
DOAN:He asked me how much I want for a month.
段氏香:我觉得有点不好意思,但是我还是说出,“我想要1000美元。”
DOAN: I feel shy but I say,"I want US dollar 1000."
段氏香:他告诉我他的老板为了搞笑视频,可以付出这么多钱。
DOAN: He tell me his boss can pay for the funny video.
现在我们发现两个女人都声称
So now we are finding out that both women are claiming
(哈迪.阿兹米,记者,真♥相♥新闻社)
她们在亚洲各地周游了好几个月了
that they have been going around Asia for months
进行恶搞秀节目,并相信这是
doing prank shows for what they believe to be
由一家日本公♥司♥制♥作♥的。
a Japanese production company.
她们的最后一次恶搞
And their last prank
那就是行刺金正男的谋杀行动了。
would be the murder assassination of Kim Jong-nam.
有一种文化叫业余恶搞视频。
There's this culture of doing amateur prank videos.
我认为它来自人们喜欢看类似“愚蠢的人”之类的节目
I think it came from people watching shows like "Jackass." '
如今,由于社交媒体的普及,人们想要自己做这件事。
And with the access allowed by social media nowadays, people want to do that hemselves.
所以在亚洲,人们制♥作♥恶作剧视频并不稀奇。
So it's not really out of the ordinary forpeople to do prank videos here in Asia.
段氏香在做一系列的恶作剧表演。
And Doan was doing this series of prank shows.
如何亲吻一个女孩
Quang bek
(希萨姆.德.宝.泰克,段氏香的律师)
在2016年,段氏香参加了两场恶搞秀
In 2016, Doan took part in two pranks
每个都上传到YouTube上。
which were uploaded onto YouTube.
这就是节目中的段氏香。
This is Doan now.
我想强调的是,这次恶作剧与朝鲜没有任何关系。
I want to emphasize that this prank
我想强调的是,这次恶作剧与朝鲜没有任何关系。
is not connected whatsoever to the North Koreans.
这是在“金正男事件”的一年前。
And this is one year before the incident with Kim Jong-nam.
我扇你一巴掌,怎么样?
I slap you, yeah?
好笑吗?
Is it funny?
不怎么样...
It's not uhh...
是的,它还行。
Yes, it is.
但它是否“好玩”并不重要。
But whether it's funny does not matter.
这是证据的一部分
This is part of the evidence
来证明在遇到那个朝鲜人很久以前,
to show that in fact she was acting in funny video clips
她实际上是在滑稽的视频剪辑中表演。
a long time before she met the North Koreans.
兰卡苏姆,印度尼西亚
西迪在这里。
Siti is here.
戴着太阳镜的那个。
The one wearing sunglasses.
贝纳.哈桑,西迪的母亲
我只是想让她回家。
I really want her to come home.
西蒂一直上学到六年级。
Siti went to school until 6th grade.
后来,她需要找份工作。
And then, in time, she needed to find work.
西迪:当我小时,
SITI:When I was young,
西迪:我看到了家庭的贫穷。
SITI:I saw my family was poor.
西迪:我想帮助我的家庭
SITI:I wanted to help my family.
西迪:于是我去了雅加达。
SITI:So I went to Jakarta.
雅加达 印度尼西亚
西迪:我在服装厂打工。
SITI:I found work at a clothing factory.
西迪:我就在那时嫁给了工厂主。
SITI: And that is when I got married to the owner.
西迪:那以后,我十七岁就生下我的儿子。
SITI:And then, I had my son when I was 17.
西迪:我喜欢当母亲,
SITI:I liked being a mother,
西迪:但我太年轻且在还有许多工作要做。
SITI:but I was young and had to work a lot.
西迪:在服装厂,
SITI:At the clothing factory,
西迪:人们把我看作是从农村来的小姑娘,
SITI:people saw me as being that little girl from the village.
西迪:我每天早上从7点半或8点开始一直工作到半夜。
SITI: I would work from7:30 or 8 AM until midnight.
西迪:我没有其他的工作经验,所以我别无选择。
SITI:I didn't have any other workexperience so I had no other choice.
西迪:然后在2012年,
SITI:Then in 2012,
西迪:我的丈夫和我离婚。
SITI:my husband and I got a divorce.
西迪:我儿子去和我前夫的父亲住在一起。
SITI: And my son went to live with my ex-husband's father.
西迪:我当然很难过。
SITI:Of course I was sad.
西迪:但我的生活就是工作和挣钱糊口。
SITI: But my life was just to work and find money to eat.
我替西迪着想...
I think for Siti...
生活是困难的。她必须活下来。
life was difficult.She had to survive.
所以为了更好的生活,
And so in the hope of a better life,
为了她和她的家,
for her and her family,
她来到了吉隆坡寻找更好的工作。
she came to Kuala Lumpur to look for a better job.
吉隆坡 马来西亚
西迪:在我看来,吉隆坡
SITI:Kuala Lumpur, in my opinion,
西迪:要比雅加达先进。
SITI:is progressive compared to Jakarta.
西迪:在吉隆坡,我可以在城里到处转转。
SITI:In Kuala Lumpur I could go out around town.
西迪:我在购物中心看到很多时髦的人。
SITI: I saw lots of fashionable people at the mall.
西迪:从那里我了解到
SITI:From there I learned,
西迪:噢,我可以改变,变得漂亮。
SITI:oh, I can change and be pretty.
西迪:一开始,我很高兴。
SITI:In the beginning, I was happy.
对于一个年轻得移居者,
For a young migrant,
特别是妇女,
women especially,
当她们来到马来西亚,
coming to Malaysia,
这是一个非常危险的世界。
it can be a very dangerous world.
大多数时候,他们来到这里,
Most often they come here
相信会有一份稳定的工作,
believing in a promise of a secure job,
但当他们来到这里,
but when they arrive,
他们发现自己身处一个非常不同的环境,
they find themselves in a very different environment,
吉隆坡的阴暗面。
the underbelly of Kuala Lumpur.
有些人被迫卖♥♥淫
And some of them being forced into prostitution,
沦为性♥奴♥。
sexual slavery.
她们通常对此缄口不言。
And they usually don't have any say about it.
“B” 西迪的朋友
当我第一次见到西蒂的时候,
When I first met Siti,
她就是一个农村女孩,
she was a village girl,
才十几岁。
still a teenager.
她在一家水疗中心工作。
She had a job working at a spa.
我知道她不喜欢她作为性工作者的工作。
I knew that she did not like her job as a sex worker.
但她别无选择。
But she had no other choice.
这是唯一一种能赚大钱的工作。
This was the only kind of work to earn good money.
据西蒂说,有一个叫
According to Siti,there was this person
约翰的出租车司机,
John, this taxi driver,
把她介绍给了朝鲜人。
who introduced her to the North Koreans.
我们有两三次尝试去见约翰。
There were, what-- two, three attempts for us to meet John.
但是警♥察♥,他们不能传唤他。
But the police, they could not produce him.
他们说他失联了。
They said he was uncontactable.
“约翰” 出租车司机
我会从头开始,好吗?
I will start from the beginning, okay?
一天晚上,有个家伙在商场门口接近我。
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