他们会用一个沙袋,
They will put a sandbag,
它对于迅速折断脖颈已经是足够了...
which would be sufficient to snap your neck immediately when...
犯人将立刻死亡。
You will die instantaneously.
(西尔维.桑德拉斯格拉姆,西迪的女律师)
好吧,那好吧。我会检查的。谢谢你!
Okay, all right, then. I will check that. Thank you.
我们建议她要非常小心,
We advised her to be very careful
不要把她的故事告诉任何人,
not to talk about her story to anyone,
包括段。
even Doan.
因为我们不知道段的故事。
Because we don't know Doan's story.
两个女孩彼此不认识,
The girls don't know each other,
而我们还不知道,是否段
and we don't know whether Doan is
是在为朝鲜工作。
working together with the North Koreans.
段氏香的律师
希萨姆. 德.宝.泰克
还不坏吧?我可以拿到我想要的文件。
Not bad, eh? I can get the documents I want.
段的律师
萨利姆.巴希尔
非常有条理。
Very organized.
很好,这非常清楚。
Okay, this is quite clear.
被害人在这里。
The victim is here.
那我就认为事件发生...
And then I think the incident takes place...
好吧,这就是事发当天的照片。
Okay, this is on the day of the incident itself.
这是她那样举手的动作。
This is her action of putting up the hands like that.
而这时重要的时刻。
And that is the crucial moment.
我第一次见到段是在监狱里。
I first met Doan in prison.
有两名越南大使♥馆♥的官员和我。
There were two officers from the Vietnamese embassy and myself.
但她被带来与我们会面时,
And when she was brought to us,
她很高兴见到大使♥馆♥的官员,
she was happy to see officers of the embassy,
他们与她用母语交流。
who could speak her own language.
当时她满怀希望。
She was hopeful then at that point of time.
恩吉宾, 越南
段范堂 段氏香的父亲
这些都是段从小就获得的证书。
These are all the certificates Doan has earned since she was little.
她总是很乖,是个好学生。
She was always well-behaved,a good student.
从不惹麻烦。
Nothing troublesome.
我们是农民,我的父母也是农民。
We are farmers, my parents were farmers.
段氏香的妈妈在三年前就去世了,
Doan's mother passed away three years ago,
在发生的这些事之前就离世了。
before all this happened.
阮氏厦 段氏香的嫂子
段是个好女孩。
Doan was a good girl.
她甚至连杀鸡都害怕。
She was even terrified of butchering a chicken.
她不敢杀死它。我总是不得不为她这么做。
She wouldn't dare kill it.I always had to do it for her.
她几年前去河内上大学。
She went to Hanoi for college a few years ago.
我觉得外面的世界引诱了她。
I think the world out there seduced her.
段范彬 段氏香的哥哥
当这件事情突然发生,
When suddenly this happened,
家里的每个人都很震惊。
everybody in the family was shocked.
我给她写了一封信鼓励她说,如果她真的这么做了,
I sent her a letter encouraging her that if she did do it,
她就应该承认。
she should confess it.
不管她做了什么,不管发生了什么,
Whatever she did or however it happened,
只有她自己知道。
only she knows.
我们非常爱她,但我们不知道如何帮助她。
We love her very much,but we don't know how to help her.
朝鲜大使♥馆♥,吉隆坡
姜浩 朝鲜大使
事件发生已经7天了。
It has been seven days since the incident.
有指控说被捕的女嫌疑犯谋杀了他。
There is an allegation that the arrested female suspects murdered him.
马来西亚警方急于把责任推到我们身上。
The Malaysian police are desperate to shift the blame on us.
上周五晚上,他们突袭了
Last Friday night,they raided the condominium
我们公民在吉隆坡的公♥寓♥
of our citizen here in Kuala Lumpur
并强行逮捕了他。
and forcibly arrested him.
朝鲜驻马来西亚大使
The North Korean ambassador in Malaysia
举♥行♥新闻发布会,
held a press conference
谈论被捕的朝鲜化学家
talking about Ri Jong Chol,
李钟哲(Ri Jong Chol)。
the North Korean chemist who was arrested.
这是对人♥权♥的严重侵犯。
This is a grave human rights violation.
称他们不信任马来西亚警方的调查。
Saying that they have distrust in the Malaysian police investigation.
马来西亚的反应是
Malaysia reacted
驱逐朝鲜大使。
by expelling the North Korean ambassador.
在那里,朝鲜发布了一项禁令,
From there, North Korea issued a ban
禁止马来西亚人离开朝鲜。
on Malaysians leaving North Korea.
所有这些人都是使♥馆♥工作人员和他们的家人,
So all these people who are embassy staff and their families,
他们被困在朝鲜。
they are trapped in North Korea.
所以他们基本上就是人♥质♥。
So they are basically hostages.
然后,在3月,
And then, in March,
马来西亚和朝鲜进行了谈判。
Malaysia and North Korea actually had a negotiation.
朝鲜要求释放李钟哲,
North Korea demanded the release of Ri Jong Choi,
并释放躲藏在朝鲜大使♥馆♥的
as well as the release of two suspects
两名嫌疑人。
who were hiding in the North Korean embassy.
他们是一名朝鲜大使♥馆♥官员
They are a North Korean embassy official
和一名朝鲜国家航♥空♥公♥司♥——高丽航♥空♥的雇员。
and an employee of Air Koryo,the North Korean national airline.
他们还要求将金正男的遗体
They also demanded the body of Kim Jong-nam
送回朝鲜。
to be sent back to North Korea.
流亡多年后,
After years in exile,
这位被谋杀的朝鲜独♥裁♥者同父异母的哥哥
the murdered half-brother of North Korea's dictator
终于回家了。
has finally gone home.
今晚,金正恩大获全胜。
It's a clean sweep tonight for Kim Jong-un.
朝鲜危险的年轻领导人拿到了被谋杀的
North Korea's dangerous young leader has gotten the body
同父异母哥哥金正男的尸体。
of his murdered half-brother Kim Jong-nam.
马来西亚释放了三名
And Malaysia has released three North Koreans
因谋杀案而被通缉问话的朝鲜人。
wanted for questioning in the murder.
周五,北♥京♥首都机场一片混乱
Chaos at Beijing's airport Friday
朝鲜人李钟哲正在通过人群。
as North Korean Ri Jong Chol made his way through the crowd.
李是被马来西亚当局释放并被驱逐出境的
Ri was released and then deported by Malaysian authorities
他曾被作为嫌疑人关押
after being held as a suspect
在与朝鲜领导人金正恩疏离的,同父异母兄弟金正男被谋杀后。
in the murder of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's estranged half-brother.
但对我来说,这非常难以忍♥受,
It was very difficult to bear but I said to myself
我必须熬过去,
that I must get through this,
因为我不能让他们用这种方式,对待作为朝鲜公民的我,
because I cannot let them do this to me as a North Korean citizen,
当他们胆敢践踏我们朝鲜的荣誉时。
when they dare to trample on the honor of North Korea.
与此同时,马来西亚得到撤回他们的九位公民,
At the same time, Malaysia got back nine of its citizens,
在这场外交僵局中,他们一直被困在朝鲜。
who had been stuck in North Korea during this diplomatic standoff.
马来西亚方面坚称,没有用这三名朝鲜人
The Malaysians insist that the three North Koreans
交换九名人♥质♥。
were not traded for nine hostages.
我们已经和他们绝交了,所以我们才允许他们离开。
We are finished with them, so that's why we allowed them to go.
马来西亚是那些与朝鲜有外交关系的奇怪国家之一。
Malaysia is one of those weird countries who actually has diplomatic relations with North Korea.
与朝鲜保持良好的工作关系。
A good working relationship with North Korea.
这是非常非常可疑的。
It is very, very suspicious.
你为什么允许这么重要的证人返回朝鲜?
Why did you allow such important witnesses to go back to North Korea?
如果你决定拯救九名马来西亚人♥质♥交换他们所要求的一切
If you decide to save the nine Malaysian hostages in exchange for all those that they demanded,
我觉得他们没有权利起诉那两个女孩,
I feel that they don't have the right to charge the two girls,
因为你损害了她们的辩护权。
because you have compromised their right of defense.
沙阿南法♥院♥,马来西亚
1,开庭日
今天开始的审判
The trial begins today
是为了两名女子被控谋杀金正男,
for the two women accused of murdering Kim Jong-nam,
朝鲜首相的同父异母哥哥。
the half-brother of the North Korean premier.
这两名女子声称自己是无辜的。
The women claim they are innocent.
如果被判有罪,她们将面临马来西亚的强制性死刑。
If found guilty, they face Malaysia's mandatory death penalty.
录音 2. 于2017年十月
公诉人:西迪.艾莎和段氏香
PROSECUTOR: Siti Aisyah and Doan Thi Huong
公诉人:都被控犯有谋杀
PROSECUTOR: are each charged with murder
公诉人:还有其他四人在逃
PROSECUTOR: along with four others at large
公诉人:针对一名叫金哲的男人。
PROSECUTOR: against a man named Kim Chol.
在法庭内,检方称金正男为“金哲”
Inside the courtroom, the prosecution is referring to Kim Jong-nam as "Kim Chol,"
这是采用他护照上出现的姓名。
which is the take name that appears on his passport.
有趣的,也许是有争议的
And what was interesting and perhaps controversial,
检方还起诉了四名仍在逃的朝鲜人,
is that the prosecution also charged four North Koreans who are still at large,
但不愿透露这四名朝鲜人的姓名。
but was very reluctant to name the four North Koreans.
希萨姆:我认为我们应该在审判开始前知道这四个人是谁。
HISYAM: I think we ought to know before the trial starts who the four persons are.
希萨姆:控方既有法律上的披露义务,
HISYAM: The prosecution has got a legal duty to disclose,
希萨姆:同时,也有道德上的披露义务。
HISYAM: at the same time a moral duty to disclose.
法官:我认为没有遗漏说明四名
JUDGE: I find the omission to state the name
法官:在逃人员的姓名
JUDGE: of the four persons at large
法官:并不使这项指控含糊不清。
JUDGE: does not make the charge ambiguous.
法官:反对意见在此无效。
JUDGE: Objection is hereby overruled.
这对我们来说不是一个好的开始。
It was not a good start for us.
不管控方站在什么立场
No matter what the position that the prosecution is taking,
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