你都不能忽视这次暗♥杀♥的政♥治♥角度。
you cannot ignore the political angle of the assassination.
2011年十二月 朝鲜平壤
金♥正♥日♥于2011年去世。
Kim Jong-il died in 2011.
金正恩正式成为接♥班♥人。
And Kim Jong-un was officially unveiled as the successor
那个时候他才25岁。
when he was 25 years old.
当金正恩被宣布时,有很多人持怀疑态度。
There was a great deal of skepticism when Kim Jong-un was announced.
他没有经验。
He had no experience.
那时他刚出大学校门就登上政♥治♥舞台。
He was barely out of college at that stage.
这里还有一个问题
And there was the question
是否朝鲜那些老的保守派能容忍♥
if the old guard in North Korea, if they would tolerate
如此年轻的暴发户掌权并指挥他们团团转。
this young upstart coming in and ordering them around.
所以,在首尔,在东京,在华盛顿也都有这样的疑问,
So there was a lot of doubt in Seoul, in Tokyo, in Washington,
那就是,金正恩能否能够
that Kim Jong-un would be able
维持住这个极权政体。
to keep this totalitarian regime together.
于是,自从金正恩掌权后,
So, since Kim Jong-un came into power,
他采取了非常有战略意义的行动,
he has very kind of strategically acted
向政♥权♥的最高层灌输忠诚,
to instill loyalty at the top of the regime,
以保证人♥民♥支持他,
to make sure that the people who support him,
精英们让他掌权,
the elites who keep him in power,
比以往任何时候都更有理由,让他大位永固。
have even more reason than ever to keep him there.
所以,平壤的千禧一代现在可以上瑜伽课,
So, the millennials of Pyongyang can now do yoga classes
喝卡布奇诺,
and drink cappuccinos
他们的生活
and they live a much better life
比他父亲或祖父统治时期要好得多。
than under his father or his grandfather.
但另一部分就是恐惧。
But the other part is fear.
他还得让他们害怕。
He also needs to keep them terrified.
他做到这一点的方式是除掉
And the way that he has done this is by getting rid of anybody
任何威胁他的人,质疑他的人,
who threatens him,who questions him,
那些在某种程度上认为
who may in some way suggest
他不是朝鲜合法领导人的人。
that he's not the legitimate leader of North Korea.
作为行动的一部分,该政♥权♥的许多高级官员
And as part of that, a lot of senior figures in the regime
被清洗掉了。
have been purged.
就连他的姑父张成泽也被处决了。
Even his uncle, Jang Song-thaek, was executed.
这是金正恩继续掌权的方式。
And this is very much Kim Jong-un's MO for staying in power.
没有人是安全的。
No one is safe.
就在那个时候,金正男
And it was around that time,you know, Kim Jong-nam
在东南亚的很多地方旅行,
was traveling a lot around southeast Asia,
他发表了一些令人惊讶的言论,
and he made, you know,several surprising remarks,
他似乎在质疑他弟弟领导的合法性,
where he seemed to question his brother's legitimacy to lead
以及朝鲜是否应该实行世袭继承。
and whether North Korea should have hereditary succession.
你好,你是金正男先生吗?
Hello, are you Mr. Kim Jong-nam?
是的,我是。你好。
Yes, I am. Hello.
作为长子,你不做继承人没问题吧?
As the first son, are you fine not being the successor?
我个人反对这个王朝的第三代继承。
Personally I'm against a third-generation succession of the dynasty.
正应为这个,
And because of that,
正因为他是金正恩在朝鲜统治合法性的威胁,
because he was, you know, threatening Kim Jong-un's right to lead North Korea,
金正男自然被金正恩视为威胁
Kim Jong-nam was somebody who certainly would be considered a threat
而他的生命也陷入了威胁。
by Kim Jong-un and whose life could be in danger.
今天,公诉人传唤拉贾博士,
Today the prosecution is calling Dr. Raja,
他是政♥府♥的化学武器专家。
who is the government's chemical weapons expert.
拉贾博士:法官大人,VX是人类有史以来制♥造♥的最致命的神经毒剂。
DR. RAJA: My lord, VX is the deadliest nerve agent ever created by a human being.
拉贾博士:一滴VX就足以致命。
DR. RAJA: A drop of VX is sufficient to cause fatality.
拉贾博士:我们在死者的夹克上确认出了VX
DR. RAJA: We identified VX on blazer of victim
拉贾博士:还在受害人的脸上与眼膜上。
DR. RAJA: and face and eye mucosa of victim.
拉贾博士:我们发现了VX的降解物
DR. RAJA: We found degradation product of VX
拉贾博士:在西蒂.爱莎的无袖衬衫上。
DR. RAJA: on sleeveless shirt of Siti Aisyah.
拉贾博士:我们在段氏香的标有LOL的T恤衫上也发现了VX。
DR. RAJA: We found VX on LOL t-shirt of Doan.
公诉人:如果只有一滴VX接触到人类皮肤会怎么样?
PROSECUTOR: What if just one drop of VX came into contact to human skin?
拉贾博士:如果你在十五分钟内消毒
DR. RAJA: If you decontaminate within fifteen minutes,
拉贾博士:你很可能看不到任何效果或延迟效果。
DR. RAJA: you most likely will not see any effect or some delayed effect.
因此,从他的证词中得出的重要结论是,
So the big takeaway from his testimony is that it answers
它回答了一个挥之不去的问题:为什么我们知道毒性很强的VX化学物质
this lingering question of why the VX chemical, which we know is very toxic,
能杀死金正男,但却不能杀死西蒂·艾莎和段氏香。
can kill Kim Jong-nam but it did not kill Siti Aisyah and Doan.
他解释道:第一点,因为手掌部位很厚实,
He explained that because the palm,number one, is thick,
皮肤也很厚实。
the skin is thick.
第二点,那里还有很多皮下脂肪。
Number two, it has a lot of fats.
这样就很难使得VX液体
So it was very difficult for the VX liquid
通过穿透皮肤到达血管。
to penetrate through the skin into the bloodstream.
当VX被应用到眼睛。
Unlike when VX is applied onto the eyes.
代表192个国家的禁止化学武器组织
The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons,
发表声明称,
which represents 192 nations, issued a statement saying,
“任何使用化学武器的行为都令人深感不安。”
"Any use of chemical weapons is deeply disturbing."
尽管朝鲜没有承认自己拥有化学武器,
While North Korea has not acknowledged it has chemical weapons,
但韩国估计,该政♥权♥拥有
South Korea estimates the regime has a stockpile
多达5000吨♥的化学武器储备。
of up to 5,000 metric tons.
如果有人将化学武器带进你的国家,
Now, if somebody brings a chemical weapon into your country,
我看,这无异于宣战。
to me that tantamounts to a declaration of war.
何况乙基毒气,
And VX,
谁能拥有乙基毒气呢?
who can have possession of VX?
肯定不是普通人。
No ordinary people.
吴顺成:我指的是那些
GOOI: I refer to the things that were
吴顺成:从朝鲜科学家李钟哲那里查封或得到
GOOI: seized or obtained from the North Korean scientist by the name of
吴顺成:的东西。
GOOI: Ri Jong Chol.
吴顺成:你被带去搜查他的住处了吗?
GOOI: Were you taken to his house?
拉贾博士:没有,大人。
DR. RAJA: No, my lord.
吴顺城:那么,你就不知道
GOOI: You therefore have no knowledge whether
吴顺城:他的家是否就是一间秘密实验室?
GOOI: his house was in fact a clandestine lab?
拉贾博士:是的,大人。
DR. RAJA: No, my lord.
我只能说,调查非常肤浅。
The investigation is very shallow, I would say.
李钟哲是一名化学家。
Ri Jong Choi is a chemist.
警方甚至没有调查VX是否真的来自他。
The police did not even investigate whether the VX actually came from him.
两个女孩,她们没有洗衣服。
Both the girls,they never washed their clothes.
也没有处理掉她们的衣服。
They never disposed of their clothes.
如果她们知道VX有这么毒,如果她们真的知道这是VX,
If they knew VX was so poisonous,if they actually knew it was VX,
她们会冒险让自己接触
would they take the chance of exposing themselves
这种危险的毒药吗?
to such a dangerous poison?
好吧。
Okay.
西蒂的女律师
塞尔维·桑德拉斯加兰
当西蒂被逮捕时,
When Siti was arrested,
我们去监狱探望她。
we went to visit her in prison.
我的第一印象是,呃...
My first impression of, uh...
她的整个行为举止。
her whole demeanor,whole conduct.
她什么都不知道。
She doesn't know anything.
就在那时,我们发现了西蒂的故事。
That is when we found out Siti's story.
来自西蒂.爱莎的录音
西蒂:当我被捕时,
SITI: When I was arrested,
西蒂:我和我的室友在我的住房♥里。
SITI:I was with my roommate in my room.
西蒂:我的门没锁上。我也从来不锁。
SITI:My room was not locked. It never was.
西蒂:警♥察♥推门而入。
SITI:Then the police pushed the door open.
西蒂:警♥察♥问道,“你这个月13日去哪里了?”
SITI: The police asked,"Where were you on the 13th?"
西蒂:“去机场了,”我回答道。
SITI:"At the airport," I said.
西蒂:“和谁一起?”
SITI:"With whom?"
西蒂:“和我的老板,张先生,”我答道。
SITI:"With Mr. Chang, my boss," I said.
西蒂:“你能给他打电♥话♥吗?”
SITI:"Can you call him?"
西蒂:所以我给张先生打了电♥话♥,但号♥码没通。
SITI: So I called Mr. Chang,but the number wasn't active.
西蒂:警♥察♥问道,“你是什么人?你是间谍吗?”
SITI: The police asked, "Who are you?Are you a spy?"
西蒂:“你在机场做了什么,致使那人死亡?”
SITI:"What did you do that caused that man in the airport to die?"
西蒂:我被搞糊涂了。我不明白他们的意思。
SITI: I was confused.I didn't understand what they meant.
西蒂:“你涉嫌预谋谋杀朝鲜主席的哥哥。”
SITI:"You are involved in the premeditated murder of the Korean president's brother."
西蒂:我很震惊。“你在开玩笑吧。”
SITI:I was shocked. "You're kidding."
西蒂:“我当时在拍视频。”
SITI:"I was doing a video shoot."
西蒂:“这是视频搞笑秀的一部分吗?”
SITI:"Is this part of the video prank?"
西蒂,
Siti,
她还以为自己是搞笑恶作剧的一部分。
she in fact thought that she was part of a prank show.
而我们不得不使她相信,
And we had to persuade her,
告诉她,“看,
to tell her, "Look,
真的是有人死亡了。
someone really died.
这不是搞笑秀。
This is not a prank show.
而现在你要被因谋杀而起诉。”
And now you are being charged for murder."
段氏香的律师
萨利姆.巴希尔
作为刑事律师,我们对此有所保留。
As criminal lawyers, we have our reservations.
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