我上完瑜伽课,大概是晚上9点,
I came out of a yoga class, it was like nine o'clock at night,
我看了看手♥机♥,
and I looked at my phone
发现它被刷屏了。
and saw it had blown up.
金正男已被暗♥杀♥。
Kim Jong-nam has been assassinated.
金正男一度是朝鲜前领导人金♥正♥日♥
Kim Jong-nam, at one point,was the favorite son of Kim Jong-il,
最喜欢的儿子。
the former leader of North Korea.
他一直被认为是金正恩的潜在竞争对手。
He has been known as a potential rival for Kim Jong-un.
这让人怀疑金正恩
And it's raising suspicions that Kim Jong-un
可能会再次处死自己的一名亲属。
may have once again marked one of his own relatives for death.
你知道,这段录像让我很惊讶,
It was so surprising to me, you know, the footage,
看到金正男站在这个机场。
to see Kim Jong-nam standing in this airport.
我的意思是,这太神奇了,
I mean, it's so amazing to think, you know,
你知道,在他被杀前的几年,我就试图找到金正男,
I was trying to find Kim Jong-nam for several years before he was killed,
只是看到他走来走去,没有帽子,没有太阳镜。
and just to see him walking around, no hat, no sunglasses.
就像,哇,我真希望我能跟他说话。
It's really like, wow, I wish I had have been able to talk to him.
有个传说说金氏家族
And there's this myth that the Kim family
是白头山的后裔,
was descended from Mount Paektu,
白头山位于朝鲜的顶端,
which is this mountain at the top of North Korea
与中国接壤,
on the border with China,
是所有朝鲜人♥民♥的神话家园。
that is the mythical home of all Korean people.
所以金氏政♥权♥用这个来表示,
And so the Kim regime has used this to say,
“我们是天命注定要领导朝鲜的”,
"We were divinely ordained to lead North Korea,"
这被称为白头山血统。
and it's called the Paektu bloodline.
所以金♥日♥成♥把朝鲜的领导权
So Kim Il-sung passed down the leadership of North Korea
传给了他的儿子金♥正♥日♥,
to his son, Kim Jong-il,
利用整个白头山血统的神话
using this whole Paektu bloodline mythology
作为他合法性的基础。
as the basis for his legitimacy.
所以,当金♥正♥日♥上台后
So when it came time for Kim Jong-il
应该指定他的一个儿子,
to anoint one of his sons,
他应该是金正男。
it should have gone to Kim Jong-nam.
你是金正男吗?
Are you Kim Jong-nam?
-请问,您是金正男吗? -不是。
- Are you Kim Jong-nam? - No.
我不能告诉你。
I cannot tell you.
这是我的隐私,哥们。
It's my privacy, man.
金正男是金♥正♥日♥的长子。
Kim Jong-nam was the first-born son of Kim Jong-il.
事实上,金正男的母亲
And, in fact,Kim Jong-nam's mother
是一位著名的女演员,金♥正♥日♥发现了她,
was a famous actress who Kim Jong-il spotted
并娶她为妻。
and took her basically as his wife.
但金♥正♥日♥真的很宠爱金正男。
But Kim Jong-il really doted on Kim Jong-nam.
他极度宠爱这个男孩,
He was absolutely besotted with this boy
一开始似乎真的很享受做父亲的时光。
and really seemed to relish his time as a father at the beginning.
平壤, 北朝鲜
金正男和金正恩的成长经历完全不同。
Kim Jong-nam and Kim Jong-un grew up entirely separate.
他们有不同的母亲。
They had different mothers.
他们的年龄相差10岁。
And there's a 10-year age difference.
金正恩的母亲是另一名女性,她是著名的舞蹈家,
Kim Jong-un's mother was another woman, she was a famous dancer,
非常有野心,非常会展现自己。
and was very ambitious and very present.
她支持并鼓动她的儿子,
She was advocating and agitating
让他成为朝鲜的领导人,
for her son, for him to be the leader of North Korea,
她在那里的体制中有非常强大的影响力。
and she had a very powerful influence in the system there.
2001年五月,日本 东京。
于是,在2000年代的开始,
So, at the beginning of the 2000s,
金正男就陷入了非常窘迫的地位。
Kim Jong-nam was caught in this very embarrassing situation.
他曾经带着年轻的家人去了趟东京,
He had taken his young family to Tokyo
被日本警方拘捕了。
and was busted by the Japanese police.
他用假的多米尼加共和国护照入境的,
He'd gone in under a fake Dominican Republic passport,
用了一个中国假名字,庞雄,音译成“胖熊”。
using a Chinese name, Pang Xiong, which means "fat bear."
他说:只是为了带孩子去迪斯尼乐园玩。
And he said, you know, he just wanted to take his kid to Disneyland.
这个事件,使得统治政♥权♥非常尴尬。
It was extremely embarrassing for the regime.
要知道,美国可是北朝鲜的头号♥敌人
America is North Korea's number-one enemy
而迪斯尼乐园,你能想象出还有比迪斯尼乐园更美国化的地方吗?
and Disneyland, you know,can you get more American than Disneyland?
但事实上,有传言称,
But, in fact, there were rumors
金正恩的母亲向日本警方举报了
that Kim Jong-un's mother actually tipped off the Japanese police
金正男抵达日本的消息
to the arrival of Kim Jong-nam in Japan
因为她想确保金正男不会
because she wanted to make sure
成为朝鲜的下一任领导人。
that he could not become the next leader of North Korea.
因此,金正男与父亲达成了一项协议,
So, Kim Jong-nam struck a deal with his father
允许他离开朝鲜。
to be allowed to leave North Korea.
他搬到了中国的领土澳门,
He moved to Macau, a Chinese territory,
在那里他可以过一种正常的生活。
where he was able to live a kind of normal life.
但他已被排除在继承名单之外。
But he was ruled out of the succession line.
纵观历史,我们看到
And throughout history, we've seen
弟兄之间就是这样
brothers being sidelined
被边缘化。
in this way.
从《圣经》的该隐和亚伯到罗马的建立者罗穆卢斯和雷穆斯。
From Cain and Abel to Romulus and Remus at the foundation of Rome.
都有兄弟相侵
Brothers are so threatening
因为只有他们才能宣布自己拥有领导权
because they can stake a claim to leadership
而其他的人则不可能。
that nobody else can.
所以,当我发现金正男被杀时,
So, when I discovered that Kim Jong-nam had been killed,
我登上了我能到达吉隆坡的第一班飞机。
I hopped on the first flight that I could get to Kuala Lumpur.
吉隆坡,马来西亚
哈利得.阿布.巴卡尔 警♥察♥总监察长
各位,早上好。
Good morning, everyone.
欢迎来到外国记者招待会,
Welcome to the foreign journalists,
同时也欢迎来到马来西亚。
welcome to Malaysia as well.
我们已经逮捕了两位女士,
We have arrested two ladies,
而我们也鉴定出二人。
and we have identified both of them.
马来西亚警方宣布,他们已经逮捕西迪.艾希娅和段氏香。
The Malaysian police announced that they have arrested Siti Aisyah and Doan Thi Huong.
他们还宣称,有8位朝鲜嫌疑人。
They also announced there were eight North Korean suspects.
在这8人中,有4人与西蒂·艾莎和段
And out of those eight, four of them were at the airport
在同一天到达机场,
on the same day as Siti Aisyah and Doan,
他们在金正男遇袭后立即离开了这个国家。
And they left the country immediately after Kim Jong-nam's attack.
然后,他们还宣布逮捕了
And then, they also announced the arrest of
一名朝鲜男子,
one North Korean guy,
李钟哲。他现居马来西亚
Ri Jong Choi.who was living in Malaysia
巧的是,他还是位化学家。
and he happens to be a chemist.
嫌疑人李钟哲炯已经被羁押...
Ri Jong Choi,the suspect that was detained...
你能澄清一下吗,因为有传言说他是司机,或者他是个化学专家……
Can you clear up, because there are rumors that he was the driver or he was a chemistry expert...
他是我们调查的对象。我们怎么告诉你呢?
He is subject of our investigation.How can we tell you?
我们发现,李钟哲
We found out that Ri Jong Choi is
在朝鲜驻马来西亚大使♥馆♥的工资单。
on the payroll of the North Korean embassy.
他住在吉隆坡的一栋由朝鲜政♥府♥支付费用的房♥子里。
He lives in a house paid by the North Korean government in Kuala Lumpur.
我只是想知道...
I was just wondering...
两名女嫌疑人,
the two female suspects,
是否知道这种物质是有毒性的?
did they know the substance was toxic?
我想你已经看过视频了,对吧?
Well, I think you have seen the video, right?
你见过那-
You have seen the -
那位女士双手这样地离开,
the lady who was moving away with her hands like this,
直奔卫生间。直奔洗手间。
towards the bathroom. Towards the washroom.
所以,她很清楚
So she knew very well that
它的毒性,而她需要去洗手。
it is toxic and she needs to wash her hands.
(吴顺成 西迪的律师)
喂。
Hello.
是的,请讲。
Yes, speaking.
是的。
Yes.
因为我们认为这是一起政♥治♥暗♥杀♥。
Because our theory is that this was a political assassination.
不会仅仅是两个女孩,
More than just the two girls being involved
牵涉到一起普通谋杀案。
in an ordinary murder case.
我们不知道警方手上到底有什么证据。
Well, we do not know exactly what type of evidence the police have in hand.
在处理任何案件时,
When we approach any case,
我们都不会接受委托人告诉我们的意见。
we will not accept what our client tells us.
我们会自行调查,看看我们的委托人说的是不是实话。
We will investigate on our own and see whether our client is telling the truth.
(安祖拉.阿丽雅丝,希迪的女律师)
西蒂·艾莎被捕后,我们第二天就见到了她。
After Siti Aisyah was arrested,we saw her the very next day.
在监狱里。其他的羁押犯对她说,
And there in prison, there were other inmates who told her that,
“你是下一个'BA.'”
"You are going to be the next 'BA.'"
“BA”就是-
"BA" is the -
最后的囚犯。
banduan akhir.
意味着进入死牢。
That means on death row.
下一个就是你了。
You are going to be the next one.
在马来西亚,如果他们被判有罪,
In Malaysia, if they're found guilty,
就会被强制判处死刑。
then it's a mandatory death sentence.
就是环颈被吊,直至死亡。
That is hanging by the neck until you are dead.
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