追缉汽车大亨：卡洛斯·戈恩（2023）

与通用汽车和福特相比,对吧?
the GMs and Fords of the world, right?
他不高兴,简直是侮辱
He wasn't happy. This was an insult.
所以他聘请了桂格凯利
So he put to work Greg Kelly.
桂格凯利就像荷里活经纪
Now, Greg Kelly, he's almost like a Hollywood talent agent.
卡洛斯戈恩对他来讲
And Carlos Ghosn, to him,
相等于汽车业界的米高佐敦
was the automotive equivalent of Michael Jordan,
史上最传奇的人物
the biggest legend that ever lived,
替他争取到几多薪金,他都是物有所值
worth every single dime he could possibly get this man.
有个没落实的退休后安排
There was an unfinalized arrangement for post-retirement services.
他得到的报酬,会相等于他提供的价值
He would be compensated for that, for the value that he provided.
谢谢
Thank you.
但有个问题
But here's the thing.
卡洛斯戈恩从未收过钱
Carlos Ghosn never got paid.
若我们要交易,就要等到他退休
If we're gonna do a deal, we're gonna do it after he retired.
我不明白我们点解被捕
Why we were arrested doesn't make sense to me.
(2008年)
(2018年)
我不相信日产的高层
I do not believe that senior directors at Nissan
对卡洛斯的薪金一无所知
knew nothing about what Carlos was being paid.
根本不可能
It just doesn't make any sense.
在这时候拘捕戈恩,可能是想踢他出局
Ghosn's arrest could have been timed to push him out
让日产占上风,与法国汽车制♥造♥商雷诺
in order to give Nissan the upper hand in ending its alliance
终止联盟关系
with the French automaker, Renault.
像卡洛斯戈恩这种地位的人被捕
The idea that somebody of Carlos Ghosn's stature has been arrested,
(CNN商业版特约记者,李察奎斯特)
你会心想:“一定很大件事”
you thought, "This has got to be big."
当我听到实情是关于他有否篡改退休金
And when you hear it's really about whether he fiddled his retirement pay,
我就开始想:“不可能,这样毫无逻辑”
then you start to think, "Nah, it doesn't make sense, this."
他有树敌吗?
Did he make enemies?
是否有怨气
Was there an underlying resentment
潜伏在他掌管的公♥司♥
within the companies he was controlling
蠢蠢欲动要对付他?他接著会点做?
brewing about the man and what he might do next?
戈恩似乎不再受欢迎
It seemed like Ghosn had overstayed his welcome.
日产怀疑他一直把公♥司♥当作私人提款机
Nissan believed he had been using the company as his own personal ATM
用公♥司♥钱为他的私人生活埋单
and that he was funding his own personal lifestyle on the company's dime,
这是不能接受的
and this was unacceptable.
即使这些指控有根据
Even if there was any truth into these charges,
并不至于要这样残暴
it doesn't deserve this brutality.
我可以想像你这样对付
I can imagine you doing this for somebody who,
我不知道,杀害平民和荼毒国家的人
I don't know, killed your citizen, poisoned the country...
或是叛国♥贼♥
high treason.
我们到底点解要谈这种事?
We're talking all of this for what?
因为没有支付的薪酬?
For not talking about the compensation that was not paid?
所以我说:“很明显是别有用心”
And that's what led me to say, "Well, it's obviously something else."
(2018年12月25日)
(桂格凯利被捕37天后)
凯利先生请我来帮手处理
Mr. Kelly brought me in to help
(桂格凯利律师,占美韦咸)
他无理被捕后衍生的一连串问题
with a series of matters emanating from his rather outrageous arrest.
这一切被视为罪行,是要损害戈恩的形象
Why this was treated criminally was all to ding up Ghosn.
要破坏戈恩的声誉
It was all to discredit Ghosn.
日产前高层,桂格凯利
Greg Kelly, a former Nissan executive,
被指控协助卡洛斯戈恩少报收入
is accused of assisting Carlos Ghosn in underreporting his income
他自11月起一直被囚在日本监狱
and has been held in a Japanese jail since November.
我被单独拘留了37天
I spent 37 days in solitary confinement.
睡在地上
Slept on the floor.
他们有项规定,你要被看得见
There was a requirement that, so you could be seen,
所以要L字形坐
you had to sit like an L
坐在墙角,两脚伸直
in a corner with your legs extended,
不能郁动
and you couldn't move.
但我当时62岁,要做脊骨手术
But I was a 62-year-old guy that needed spinal surgery.
要做手术的62岁长者
What's a 62-year-old guy that needs surgery gonna--
我点样威胁社会?
What risk am I to society?
桂格凯利从东京监狱获释
Greg Kelly has been released from jail in Tokyo
付了六十三万五千美元的保释金
after paying bail of $635,000.
在日本,获准保释不是必然的
In Japan, bail is not always that freely granted.
但我的健康状况是考虑因素之一
But my medical condition was one of the considerations.
日本以为桂格凯利会乖乖招供
The Japanese thought Greg Kelly would simply roll over and confess.
就是那种极端情况
That's the type of extreme conditions.
你遇过最坚强的人都会屈服
It would take almost the strongest men you've ever met and turn them to dust.
但他不愿意招认
But he was not willing to play that game.
我不钟意医院
I don't like hospitals.
老实讲,我讨厌医院
In fact, I hate hospitals.
但被单独拘留了37天
But go spend s-- 37 days in solitary confinement,
然后入住舒适的医院病房♥
and then get into a nice hospital room.
简直是世上最美好的事
It was like the best thing in the world.
真是一趟特别经历
It was quite an experience.
我在一周内见到妻子
And then within the week, I saw my wife.
在他手术前一天,我抵达日本
It's the day before his surgery. I arrived in Japan.
我行入医院病房♥,只是...
When I walked into the hospital room, I just--
他瘦了很多,看上去面色很差
He had lost so much weight, and he just looked-- He looked terrible.
我说:“他们对你做过甚么?”
And like, "What did they do to you?"
点解啊?
I mean, just-- For what?
简直难以置信,我很开心能拥抱她
It was unbelievable. It was great to give her a hug.
但我们都知前路漫漫
But we knew we had a road in front of us,
那刻只是开始
and this was really just the beginning.
(戈恩被捕三个月后)
我们终于取得探视权
When they finally gave us visitation rights
在2月去见卡洛斯
to see Carlos in February,
我松了一口气
it was a relief.
但我开车去小菅时很惊,监狱很大
But I was scared driving to Kosuge. It's this huge jail.
从外面看,就像死亡和地狱
From the outside, it looks like death. It looks like hell.
我答应自己:“见到卡洛斯时不要哭”
I promised myself, "When I see Carlos, I'm not gonna cry,"
因为我想他见到我坚强
because I wanted him to see me strong.
很明显,那刻对我很重要
Obviously, it was an important moment for me.
但与此同时,我在那刻很担心
But at the same time, I was dreading this moment,
因为我知她在那刻很痛苦
because I knew that it was a very painful moment for her.
因为尽管新闻铺天盖地
Because even with all the news that took place,
去监狱探人是很大的冲击
seeing somebody in prison, it's a shock.
他看上去很瘦
He looked so skinny.
憔悴
Haggard.
当时我说:“天啊”
I was like, "Oh, my God."
他的脸和手超黄
His face and his hands were super yellow,
应该是因为他不见阳光我以为他有黄疸病
'cause I think he wasn't seeing the sun. I thought he had jaundice.
当我知道他没拿过那笔钱
When I understood that he didn't take any money
而且他没犯过事
and there's nothing that he did that was really wrong,
我很嬲
I got, like, angry.
我很不开心,他们怎可以这样做?
I was so upset that-- How could they do this?
他们在侵犯他的人♥权♥
These people are infringing on his human rights.
(2019年3月,巴黎)
卡洛斯戈恩是优秀的法裔商人
Carlos Ghosn is a great French businessman.
(卡洛斯戈恩人♥权♥记者会)
他心系日本
He is very attached to Japan
对日产亦然,为它付出了
as well as to Nissan, to which he has devoted
20多年的光阴
more than twenty years of his life.
他的家人打给我
When I was called by the family,
实不相瞒,我不意外
I have to say I was not surprised
(戈恩人♥权♥律师,法兰斯华司马利)
因为我知在日本监狱发生的事
because I knew what happen in the Japanese prisons.
他每天被审问12至14小时
He was being interrogated for 12, 14 hours a day
没有律师在场
without the presence of a lawyer.
他被视为有罪违背他应被假定无罪的原则
He was treated as a guilt, in complete violation of his presumption of innocence.
他被困在监仓,日夜有灯照住他
He was put in a cell with a light on him, day and night.
他的拘留处境可算是“合法酷刑”
The conditions of his detention could be qualified as "legal torture".
他们点样辩称卡洛斯戈恩先生
How can they justify that Mr. Carlos Ghosn,
他根本毫无危险性
who presents no danger whatsoever,
却被单独拘留100天?
being placed in solitary confinement for 100 days?
(戈恩人♥权♥律师,谢茜嘉芬奈利)
在日本,99%的被告都被定罪
In Japan, 99% of the defendants are convicted.
不是因为警♥察♥或检察官照本子办事
It's not because the police or the prosecution is doing its job correctly.
而是因为在日本的司法制度
It's because in the Japanese legal system,
若你招认被检控的罪行
if you are confessing the crime that you are prosecuted for,
你就会很快获释
you can be released quite quickly.
但若你不认罪,就会被拘留
But if you do not confess the crime, you are held in custody.
你招认前遭受的待遇会很差
And until you confess, the conditions are gonna be so bad
是要给你心理压力