猎食者：日本流行音乐的秘密丑闻（2023）

我试图与一些顾客交谈
I tried to speak with some of the customers,
但没人愿意对话
but no-one wanted to talk.
他们表示 他们害怕在未经
They say they're afraid to be filmed at a shop
事务所认可的商店被拍到
that Johnny's agency hasn't approved.
杰尼斯事务所似乎能控制一切
It feels like the agency has complete control,
甚至可以控制粉丝
even over the fans.
每周有上百部电视节目
Johnny's talent appears on
有他家艺人出镜
more than 100 TV shows a week.
2019年 约翰尼逝世时
And when Johnny died in 2019,
所有头版头条都进行了报导
every front page covered the news.
我一直试图找到追悼会的相关报道
I've been trying to get hold of coverage from the memorial,
或是任何录到了约翰尼的录像
or in fact any footage related to Johnny.
但我所联♥系♥的每一家机构都是同样的说辞
But every outlet I've contacted has the same story.
他们拒绝提供与杰尼斯事务所有关的
They refuse to share anything related
任何情报
to Johnny & Associates.
似乎大家都是心照不宣地墨守成规
It feels like a rule you just don't break.
-是摩根吗 -是的
- Is that Morgan? - Yeah, speaking.
我正在追踪约翰尼·喜多川的故事
I'm chasing the story of Johnny Kitagawa,
但我在获取照片影像方面
but I'm having real trouble
遇到了大♥麻♥烦
getting hold of any images, any video.
所以我在想 你是否能够帮我
So I just wondered if you might be able to point me
指明一下正确的方向
in the right direction?
我认为
Yeah, I think...
你会很难得到这些资料
..It would be very difficult for you to get any of this.
我在这里工作了15年左右
I've been working here for 15 or so years,
我们对于约翰尼及其旗下艺人
and we've always been very, very careful with images
以及任何有关杰尼斯事务所的影像资料
of Johnny's and Johnny's idols
都会非常 非常谨慎地处理
and anything to do with Johnny & Associates.
所以 就算我们有影像资料
So, even if we had images,
我们最终都很可能删除或是不发布
we'd probably end up deleting them or not publishing them
因为我们担心
because of the concern about
如果影像资料被用在不正当的地方
repercussions if the images were used in a way
也就是令杰尼斯事务所不安的地方
that they shouldn't be used,
可能会带来一些影响
in a way that might upset Johnny's.
你所说的影响指的是什么
What do you mean by repercussions?
杰尼斯事务所可能对我们影像的
If our images were used in a way that upset
使用方式有意见
Johnny & Associates.
我理解
I understand.
摩根 你的职位是否能够检索
Morgan, are you in a place where you could actually check
你们数据库里的内容
what you guys have on your database?
可以说 我们的数据库里
Basically, in our database,
有十份影像资料
we have ten images.
-你们有十份影像资料 -就是
- You've got ten images? - Which is...
十份有关公♥司♥管理层的影像资料
Ten images related to the management agency.
我们根本没有任何约翰尼·喜多川的资料
We don't have any images of Johnny Kitagawa at all.
完全没有吗
None at all?!
-完全没有 -影像的内容是什么
- None at all. - What are they of?
艺人 以及公♥司♥大楼
Artists and, er, the building.
-大楼 好吧 -大楼
- The building, right. - The building.
-好吧 -很抱歉我没办法帮到你更多了
- Yeah. - All right, sorry I couldn't help more.
不不 别介意 麻烦您了
No, no, not at all. Thank you for your time, OK?
-非常感谢 -保重 摩根
OK. Thanks very much. Take care, Morgan.
-谢谢你 -拜拜 -保重 拜拜
- Thank you. - Bye. - Take care. Bye-bye.
拜
Bye.
这未免也太奇怪了
It's just so odd.
就好像有一道看不见的坚墙
It's like there's a kind of firm.
就好像他们是
It's like there's a...
有意控制
A control.
你从他的声音里就可以听出来
And you could hear it in his voice.
他非常的谨慎
He was very careful.
他的情绪很紧张
You know, there was a nervousness there.
但说到底 像约翰尼·喜多川这样
But ultimately, if you've got someone
全国闻名的大人物 他的录像
who is a nationally known figure like Johnny Kitagawa
只因如日中天的公♥司♥有意控制
and that footage just isn't out there because the estate,
就不准公开
the firm that still exists,
他们控制着这些影像的使用
is controlling the use of those images,
完全是绝对掌控
that's entirely about keeping a tight hand.
摩根的紧张不安让我想起我在日本
Morgan's nervousness reminds me of the politeness I see
随处可见的礼貌
everywhere in Japan.
不惹事生非在这里意义重大
Not rocking the boat means a lot here.
这是企业文化的重要组成部分
It's a big part of corporate culture.
避免摩擦是事情运作的基础
Avoiding friction is fundamental to how things work.
但我认为这会让人常常反思自我
But I reckon that can lead to self-censorship.
当出现问题时 有些人因为太过礼貌
So, when there's a problem, some people are too polite
以至于不会想到反抗
to ring the alarm.
据我所知 杰尼斯事务所
From what I've learnt, Johnny's Associates
和新闻界的关系密切而复杂
and the press have a close and complicated relationship.
众所周知 媒体会想尽一切办法
It's known that the media will do whatever they can
保护约翰尼旗下的偶像
to secure Johnny's idols,
而且双方似乎达成了共识
and there seems to be an understanding.
推广约翰尼的新乐队 让他们接触更大的明星
Promote newer Johnny's bands to get access to their bigger stars.
避免让来自竞争对手的男团
Avoid showing boybands from rival agencies
与约翰尼的男团同台竞争
next to Johnny's boys.
从不说约翰尼
And never say anything negative about Johnny,
第五频道 二十七频道 我们爱约翰尼
他的偶像或者公♥司♥的不是
his idols or his agency.
杰尼斯事务所会举办演出
Johnny & Associates run the show,
负责管理艺人 编排表演
from managing the talent, producing their acts,
甚至还拥有自己的唱片公♥司♥
and even owning their own record label.
如果一切都顺利 那可能还好
If it's all going well, this might seem OK.
但是只要走错一步 你就会成为
But one wrong move and you could make an enemy
杰尼斯事务所
of Johnny & Associates
以及所有跟他们关系密切的媒体的敌人
and all of the press they're close to.
所以 如果你不守规矩 你就完了
So, if you don't stay in your lane, it's game over.
我一直在拼命寻找
I have been desperately trying to find any footage
能让我了解约翰尼·喜多川的录像
which will tell me about who Johnny Kitagawa actually was.
唯一找到的就是这段流出来的
And the one thing that turns up is this leaked footage
约翰尼参加某个仪式的视频
of Johnny at some kind of ceremony.
太奇怪了
It's quite odd.
我是说 看起来他好像玩得很开心
I mean, it looks like he's having fun.
他在笑
He's laughing a bit.
但这确实让我想到 他塑造的人格
It does make me think, though - the persona that he built,
他保持距离
was he keeping a distance
是因为他不喜欢出风头
because he just didn't like the limelight
还是他保持距离
or was he keeping a distance
是因为神秘感意味着你不太可能被追究责任
because mystery means you're less likely to be held accountable?
杰尼斯事务所经手过的男孩有几百名
Hundreds of boys have gone through Johnny & Associates.
他们中很多人没有成为明星 回归正常生活
Many of them don't become pop stars and return to normal life,
很少提起他们在公♥司♥里的事
rarely speaking about their time at the agency.
但我找到了一个人 他从1990年起
But I've found someone who, since 1990,
就一直在写书 讲述他在杰尼斯事务所的经历
has been writing books about his experience at Johnny's.
比《周刊文春》发文揭露此事还要早上十年
That's almost ten years before Bunshun broke their story.
我想知道约翰尼的性侵是否在那时就开始了
I want to know if Johnny's abuse was going on even back then.
我在等一位叫纯也的人
I'm waiting for a guy called Junya,
他以前是杰尼斯帝国的一员
who used to be part of the whole Johnny's empire.
他还写了很多书
And he's gone on to write a bunch of books.
其中一本叫做
One of those books is called
《揭露杰尼斯事务所:男孩之爱的豪♥宅♥》
Everything About Johnny's: A Mansion of Boys Love.
他并没有因羞耻而对此三缄其口
So he hasn't shied away at all from these allegations.
-纯也 -是的
- Junya? - Yes.
-莫宾 -你好 我是莫宾
- Mobeen? - Hello, I'm Mobeen.
你好 我坐上来了
How you doing? Can I jump in?
很高兴见到你
Nice to meet you.
你怎么样 还好吗
How you doing? Are you OK?
1980年 十三岁的纯也加入了杰尼斯事务所
Junya joined the agency in 1980 when he was 13 years old.
他从未出道 不过他在少年队待了六年
He never debuted, but he was a Junior for six years.
你对约翰尼·喜多川的印象怎么样
What was your impression of Johnny Kitagawa?
你对他的造星能力了解多少
What did you know of his star-making power?
约翰尼的主要工作是发掘和培养艺人
约翰尼一直有去看上课 彩排和演出
他一直去
他去看彩排之类的活动
When he was coming to all the rehearsals and all that stuff,