猎食者：日本流行音乐的秘密丑闻（2023）

I reached out to the men who shared their stories
分享过他们故事的人
all those years ago,
但他们都避而不谈
but none of them want to talk.
我是莫宾 你好
This is Mobeen. How are you?
通过某位联♥系♥人 我联♥系♥到了一位三十多年前
Through a contact, I've found one man who was at the agency
杰尼斯事务所的练习生
more than 30 years ago.
这是他首次公开说话
This will be the first time he'll speak publicly.
可以理解 他有些摇摆不定
And understandably, he's having a few wobbles.
我们一会儿见 好吗
I'll see you in a moment, OK?
他说他想说出来
So he says he wants to speak out.
然后我们讨论了这其中的含义
And then we got into this thing about the implications of that.
我的感觉是 他还没有完全理解
And I get the impression he hadn't digested
公开谈论这些事情意味着什么
what it meant to speak about this stuff publicly.
他决定了要说出来
He's decided he does want to speak.
他想戴着口罩
He wants to wear a mask
不想透露真名
and he doesn't want to use his name.
所以他给了我一个地址
So he's given me an address.
好的
Ok.
我们走吧
Let's go.
我们姑且称他 林
We're calling him Hayashi.
他十五岁时把简历寄给事务所
He was 15 years old when he sent his CV to the agency
受到邀请 迈出了成为明星的第一步
and was invited to take that first step towards stardom.
跟我说说试镜那天的事
Tell me about the day of the audition.
结果如何
How did it play out?
面试从头到尾都是约翰尼亲自进行的
我的第一印象是他人很好也很细心
面试一周之后 我去上了第一课
当天晚上我第一次住进了那个宿舍
门打开的时候 你的第一印象是什么
What was your first impression when that door opened?
那些男孩假装在做广播节目
我记得录了磁带还表演了
我很开心
喧闹过后发生了什么
When the fanfare has died down, what happened?
过了一会儿 约翰尼告诉我 去洗澡吧
我说好的
我去了淋浴间 那里有电视和电子游戏
约翰尼把浴缸水放好
我在想 他人真是太好了
接着他把我的毛衣脱了 到那时候我还觉得他很好
但接着他要脱我的裤子 我说 我自己来就好
他默不作声 这吓坏我了
我什么也做不了
然后他把我的裤子 内♥裤♥和袜子都脱了
约翰尼没进浴缸 他穿着衣服 但是他让我进了浴缸
他帮我洗澡 从头到脚 就好像我是个玩偶
他帮我洗头发 用毛巾擦干 然后吹干
在十五岁的你看来 这有性意味吗
In your 15-year-old mind, was it sexual?
是不是有点那个意味
Had it kind of crossed into that?
他让我去洗澡时
我以为其他人都知道是这样的
我回来的时候 可能
我的脸上
稍等一下
好的好的 没事的
It's OK. It's OK. You're fine.
我想我看起来很奇怪
没关系的
You're completely fine.
真的 你慢慢来
Honestly, take all the time you need.
他们都跟我说 你的梦想破灭了
后来几个男生告诉我 你只能忍♥ 否则绝无出头之日
那天晚上后来发生什么事了
What happened the rest of that night?
后来约翰尼告诉我
你要睡觉了 你应该困了
他边看电视边给我按♥摩♥
他一直摸我摸到凌晨 事情持续到凌晨
我记得他一直这样对我 直到天亮
又有一次我留宿时 又发生了洗澡那样的事
晚上发生了更多事
他用嘴对我做那些事
其他孩子的反应是怎么样的呢
What was the response of the other boys?
我身边没有人因为不喜欢这样而离开
他们都忍♥受着
约翰尼是宿舍里唯一的成年人
所以我们根本无法向别人说这件事
即使他现在不在了
Even when he's no longer here,
他是如何保持这种对人的控制的
how has he been able to maintain this kind of grip
甚至在他死后
over people, even in his death?
那些成名的男孩 因为约翰尼
他们进入公♥司♥的那一刻 生活就改变了
我觉得他们很感激他
但这和性犯罪是两码事
我在想 他们为什么什么都不说
我只在日本生活过 一直认为这是个伟大的国家
不过也许我错了
如今 在日本 根据国家法律
Today, in Japan, by national law,
性同意年龄是十三周岁
the age of consent is 13.
在林遭遇性侵的年代
At the time of Hayashi's abuse,
法律规定 只有受害人是女性才能称为"强♥奸♥"
legally, rape could only happen to a woman.
男性可以控诉他人性侵犯
Men could make a complaint for sexual assault,
但在法律眼中
but in the eyes of the law,
男性不可能会遭遇性侵
it just wasn't possible for a man to experience rape.
在2017年 法律有了变更
It was in 2017 that these laws changed to include men
并将男性也纳入潜在受害者范围
as potential victims, too.
约翰尼似乎建立了一个"政♥权♥"
Johnny appears to have created a regime
方便他合理地性侵年轻男孩
that allowed him to systematically abuse young boys.
公♥司♥至今仍在赚钱
The company is still making money
全东京随处可见他们的宣传
and is on display all over the city.
追踪这类故事 最后都必然会
An obvious thing when you start chasing a story like this
接触到大权在握的大人物
is to reach out to the people in power.
在本案件中 约翰尼·喜多川已经不在了
In this case, Johnny Kitagawa is no longer here,
我们要找的是杰尼斯事务所
so it's Johnny's Associates.
这个庞然大物仍然健在
There's still this huge company.
如今的总裁是约翰尼的外甥女 朱莉·藤岛
Today, the president is Johnny's niece, Julie Fujishima.
约翰尼在世时她没有掌权
She wasn't in power when Johnny was alive,
但她在约翰尼去世前在公♥司♥工作了15年
but she did work at the company for 15 years before his death.
所以 我自然会想和她谈谈
So, naturally, I want to speak to her.
但我没能见到她 而是被推给市场部
Instead, I've been directed to someone
一个名叫凯的人
in the marketing department called Kai.
您好 凯
Hello there, Kai.
我是莫宾
This is Mobeen calling.
我想要进行一次采访
What I'm really looking for is an interview,
采访一位资深人士 我们该如何
you know, with someone senior. And how would we...?
请问我们该怎么做呢
How would we go about that?
这些指控与约翰尼·喜多川的行为有关
These allegations are to do with the conduct of Johnny Kitagawa.
采访方向是
And this is about a company
在日本受到许多人高度尊重的贵公♥司♥
which is held in very high esteem by lots of people in Japan
如何负责任地处理这些指控
responsibly engaging with those allegations.
所以公♥司♥的政策是公♥司♥中的任何人
So it's not company policy
都不能接受采访
for anyone from the company to do interviews?
好的 我明白了 谢谢您
OK, I appreciate that. Thank you.
谢谢
Thanks.
指控的落实似乎存在障碍
There seems to be a block in the allegations landing.
这可是性侵指控啊
This is about sexual abuse.
然而对方却只是说
And you want to say to me,
"我现在不太想讨论这事"
"I'd prefer to not discuss that at this time."
怎么可以这么不负责呢
How can you be that irresponsible?
你们就是当事公♥司♥ 你们是手握权力的人
You're the company! You're the people with all the power!
当我开始深挖
When I started digging into a story
这家日本最大的艺人经纪公♥司♥的故事时
about one of the biggest talent agencies in Japan,
我以为很容易就能找到他们活动的影像资料
I assumed it'd be easy to find images of their acts.
我的意思是 男孩们都是明星 对吧
I mean, the boys are the stars, right?
事实上 除了广♥告♥之外
The fact is, aside from an advert,
经纪公♥司♥所发布的官方图像非常少
very few official images have been released by the agency.
所以 在日本各地
So, across Japan,
像这样的非官方商店犹如雨后春笋般涌现
unofficial stores like this place have sprung up.
这里有很多
There's a lot of it.
实际上店里只有满墙的照片
It's actually just wallpapered
全是杰尼斯事务所旗下艺人的照片
with artists linked to Johnny's Associates.
我的天啊
Oh, my God.
这是个特殊的类型
It's such a specific type.
他们看起来都很年轻
I mean, they look young.
他们没有人留胡子
None of them have got a beard.
有特定的发型
You know, there's a particular hairstyle,
特定的脸型
a particular face-type.
有一种纯真和孩子气
There's a kind of innocence and a boyishness.
他们就是这样
That's what they're...
他们知道什么吃香
They know what the brand is.
这就是他们售卖♥♥的商品
That's what they're selling.
他们全都是一种形象的映射
They're all kind of reflections of one image.
这些人之间的差别非常小
There's so little differentiation between these guys.
感觉似乎这些男孩们自身
It's almost as if the boys themselves
并不是重点
are not the point.
重点是想象 你购买♥♥的似乎是一种幻想
It's the vision. It's kind of what you're buying into.
这是他们的卖♥♥点
It's the brand.
而这些男孩都只是幻想的投影
And these guys are all just reflections of that.