我爱你，现在去死吧（2019）（上）

Why were you curious about that?
因为康拉德的家人和朋友
'Cause all of Conrad's family and friends
都来自马特波伊塞特
are from Mattapoisett.
你是否回复过她 说你觉得
Did you relay to her that you thought
比赛更应该在马特波伊塞特举办
it made more sense to have it in Mattapoisett
因为康拉德的朋友和家人都在那里 -说过
where Conrad's friends and family are? - Yes.
她是如何回复你的
And how did she respond to you wanting suggesting
在你建议比赛应该换到对康拉德朋友
that maybe it should be moved to be more convenient
和家人来说更方便的地点之后
for his friends and family?
她不愿意换地方
She wasn't willing to move it.
当我不断询问这件事的时候
When I kept asking about it,
她明确表示
she wanted to make clear
这一切都是她的功劳
that she was getting credit for all this,
我对此没有任何异议
which I had no problem with.
鉴于她不愿意更换地点 先生
Given that she wasn't willing to move it, sir,
你做了什么?
what did you do?
我去参加了比赛
I went to the tournament.
卡特小姐是否曾要求
And at some point, did Miss Carter ask that
和一些队伍的队员合影
her photograph be taken with some of the teams?
是的
Yes.
这是你们队的合影 你觉得它公平且真实吗
And is that a fair and accurate depiction of a team photo
你们队刚赢了比赛 而卡特小姐站在中间
with your team, uh, having won, and Miss Carter in the middle?
是的
Yes.
你如何描述卡特小姐
How would you describe
在"康拉德全垒打"锦标赛上的状态
Miss Carter's demeanor throughout Homers for Conrad?
她看上去很开心
She seemed very happy.
你是否在比赛时见到
Did you see other young ladies
其他和你一样的年轻女孩
at Homers for Conrad, as well as yourself?
见到了
Yes.
你们学校的女孩们
Young ladies from your school,
你自己 还有卡特小姐都在 对吗
and yourself, and Miss Carter. Is that correct?
是的 -谢谢
Yes. - Thank you.
她们中有人是米歇尔的朋友吗
And were some of them, uh, her friends?
大多是她的朋友和家人
They were mostly all her friends and family.
她开始得到她一直渴望的关注
She begins to get the attention that she's been craving for.
她成为了伤心的女友
The grieving girlfriend.
在康拉德•罗伊自杀三年后
Three years after Conrad Roy committed suicide,
检察官带我们去了案发现场
prosecutors took us to the site where it happened.
据我所知 这就是那个男孩自杀的地方
From what I understand, this is where the boy took his life.
就坐在这里
Sitting right here.
真的是场悲剧
It's so sad.
我没有亲眼见过那个女孩
I've never met the girl,
但是我看过她的照片
but I've seen pictures of her.
她的表情我记得很清楚
She just has that look that I remember,
看见她的脸 我真的想说 "你个害人精
that I see that look, and it's like, "You little snot.
你怎么能对一个活生生的人做出那种事
How could you do that to a human being,
你个青春片无脑白♥痴♥
you 90210 piece of crap?
明白吗"
Uh, you know?"
我跟你说 我要是陪审员
I'm telling you, if I was on the jury,
我就说 "快滚吧
I'd say, "Yeah. Go ahead.
就算你在弗雷明汉待上30年
Your parents aren't gonna miss you
你父母也不会想你
if you're in Framingham for the next 30 years.
赶紧走吧 拜拜了您内"
See ya later, bye."
我对天发誓 我真的就这么说
I... I swear to God, you know.
在我看来 这真是造孽
To me, this is evil.
真的是造孽
This is evil.
但她的那些罪恶念头究竟是从哪里来的
And, um, where does evil come from?
我也不知道
I don't know.
在米歇尔被刑事起诉后不久
Almost immediately after the indictment,
就出现了一种难以撼动的论调
there was... a narrative that got set, that didn't change.
这种论调出现在社区里 镇子里
And it was set in the community, it was set in town,
和媒体上
it was set in the press.
说米歇尔是个铁石心肠的婊♥子♥
And that is of this heartless bitch
就为了招人喜欢而杀了一个人
who killed a guy to get popular.
这个故事之所以这么具有说服力
And the reason that's such a compelling story
是因为它结合了
is it combines two things
人们对青春期少女的两种感受
that people feel about teenage girls.
第一点是她们很强势
One of them is that they are... Uh, they're coercive,
她们拥有一种男人没有
that they have a kind of secret power
男孩也没有的神秘力量
that men don't have, that boys don't have,
她们能利用它
and that they can use it.
第二点就是她们头脑狂热
The other thing is that they're crazy
只为了博关注而活
and they only live for attention
她们人很无趣 却只想变成红人
and they just want to be popular and they're vapid.
所以通过把米歇尔塑造成这么一个
And so, in saying that Michelle was this, like,
强势高冷女王 为了让别人喜欢她
coercive ice queen who killed a guy
不惜杀了一个人
in order to become popular,
这很完美地把人们心中
it was like the perfect combination
所厌恶的青春期少女的特质结合了起来
of everything that people hate about teenage girls.
所有的人都对米歇尔恶语相向
It was near-universal revulsion at Michelle Carter.
她被描绘成一个黑寡妇
She was portrayed as this black widow,
青少年黑寡妇
this teenage black widow,
一个精神病 一个怪物
a sociopath, a monster.
人们说她是世界上最坏的人
She was called the worst person in the world.
全世界都震惊愤怒于怎么会有人对
Just universal shock and anger that someone could do this
康拉德·罗伊这样的大好青年下手
to this sweet young man, Conrad Roy.
我意思并不是说米歇尔的所作所为不可怕
None of this is to say that what Michelle did wasn't scary.
但这些说她
But the narrative that she did it
"蛊惑" "恶魔" "邪恶"的字眼
in this kind of witchy, satanic, coercive way,
更多是我们附加给她的
I think, came more from us than from her.
这也是美国的既往偏见
It's an American fable.
男人害怕女人
Men are terrified of women.
我们都经历过
We all struggle with that.
女巫在我们的文化里有很长的历史
There's a long history of witches in our culture.
女巫们都是谁
And who are witches?
都是那些坚强又乐善好施的女人
Witches were often strong, loving women
她们治疗他人 蛊惑他人 荼毒他人
who treated people, deranged people, sick people.
我们在历史上也妖魔化了很多各行各业的女人
And we have vilified women in many roles throughout history.
很多男人都从心底里
There's, in many men, a fear
惧怕被女人支配
that women can control them.
这种新闻报道
There are certain stories
会让报纸和电视节目大卖♥♥
that may sell newspapers and television shows
所以媒体会追踪报道 大炒热度
that the media will latch onto and try to turn into something.
你有个现成的
You know, you have a, uh, young girl,
漂亮女孩
a girl who's attractive, and it was...
事件被描绘成另一种样子
portrayed as something, uh, that it really wasn't.
他们就想把米歇尔变成众矢之的
They were just trying to paint Michelle in a bad light,
说她有不法的动机
to try and say she had a motive
因为这案子实在太特殊了
because, again, this case is so unique.
你需要扭曲事实
You need to twist the facts.
需要扭曲法律
You need to twist the law
来排列组合形成你的新闻报道
and try to line it all up to meet your story.
他当时得了抑郁症
He had had depression.
她知道
She knew that.
他很容易下手
He was an easy target.
所有的一切都是为了她从死男朋友身上
It was all about her getting the attention
榨取关注度
from a dead boyfriend.
你怎么熬过来的
How do you even process that?
在发现有的人真的毫无人性之后
That someone could be that inhuman?
我觉得有些人没有灵魂
I believe some people have no soul,
没有良知
no conscience.
我的天 太可怕了
Oh, my goodness. That's horrible.
米歇尔有非常严重的精神问题
Michelle had serious, serious mental health issues
她整个青春期都是
for most of her adolescent life.
她有严重的进食障碍
She had a severe eating disorder.
非常的孤独
She was incredibly lonely.
我觉得进食障碍对她
I think the eating disorder did to her
造成了其对所有少女
what it does to all young girls
都会造成的严重影响
who are suffering from that kind of problem.
它会让你感觉怪异
It tends to make you feel odd and strange,
会让你想要疏离他人