There were other people that were interviewing them...
还有其他人在询问他们...
in this conference room.
他们在一间会议室里
I could see on the security camera looked like two cops out there.
我在监控摄像头上看到外面有两名警♥察♥
They come to the door,xa0they rang the bell,
他们来到门口 按了门铃
and they said,
然后他们说
"Boston Police. We got a report of a disturbance on the premises."
"波士顿警♥察♥ 我们接到报♥警♥说这里发生骚乱了"
I buzzed them in.
我就放他们进来了
They asked me if I was alone,
他们问我是不是一个人
and I saidxa0that no, my partner was off doing a round.
我说不是 我的同事去巡逻了
They said, "Get him down here."
他们说 "把他叫过来"
The cop turned to me and said, "Don't I know you? Don't I recognize you?
警♥察♥又问我 "我是不是认识你 你有点眼熟啊
I think there's a warrant out for your arrest.
好像有一张你的通缉令
Can you step out from behind the desk?"
你能从桌子后面出来吗"
And he said, "Up against the wall."
然后他说 "靠在墙上"
The guy who was dealing with me was taller and skinny...
跟我说话的人更高更瘦...
was wearing these gold frame round glasses, if I remember correctly.
如果我没记错 他戴着一副金框圆眼镜
He had a mustache.
而且留着胡子
It looked really greasy.
看着非常圆滑
It was probably a fake mustache.
胡子可能是假的
And he handcuffed me.
他把我铐起来了
Cuffed my partner.
把我的同事也拷起来了
Very dramatically said,
非常夸张地说
"Gentlemen, this is a robbery."
"先生们 我们要抢劫"
The FBI released these pictures
联邦调查局公布了这些图片
after conversations with guards at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum.
是跟伊莎贝拉·斯图尔特·加德纳博物馆的保安交谈后画出来的
Suspect number one is described as a white male
一号♥嫌疑人被描述为
in his early 30s,
30岁出头的白人男性
approximately 5'10" tall, 160 pounds,
身高约1米78 体重73公斤
dark hair, and wearing gold wire-rim glasses.
深色头发 戴着金丝边眼镜
Suspect number two isxa0described as a white male in his early 30s also.
二号♥嫌疑人也被描述为30岁出头的白人男性
Approximately 6" tall with dark hair.
大约1米83 深色头发
I don't think the sketches was that reliable.
我觉得那些人物画像不太靠谱
How long did they see them? Did they get a good look?
保安们看了多久 是否看清楚了
Were they wearing fake mustaches?
对方是不是粘着假胡子
Take a look at these composite drawings.
看看这些警方肖像画
They may, in a manner of speaking, be worth several hundred million dollars.
从某种意义上说 它们可能价值数亿美元
If, that is, they bear a striking resemblance
前提是他们的相貌
to the two men who inspired them.
与作案的两名人员有相似之处
With something like this, we try to take a minute,
对于这样的事情 我们会试着花一点时间
step back and say,
退一步说
"Okay, where do we go from here?"
"好吧 我们该从何查起呢"
This is not a crime of opportunity.
这不是机会性犯罪
These guys were not dressing up for Halloween in policeman's uniforms
这些人穿着警♥察♥制♥服♥不是为了过万圣节
saying, "Gee, a good idea, let's go rob the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum."
然后说 "我有一个好主意 我们去抢劫伊莎贝拉·斯图尔特·加德纳博物馆吧"
You know, this was planned out.
这是计划好的
A lot of planning. They had duct tape, handcuffs, uniform on.
他们做过周密计划 他们带着胶带和手铐 穿着制♥服♥
They were ready to get in that museum.
他们都准备好了
I've done organized crime cases for years.
我处理有组织犯罪案件很多年了
I've done wiretaps.
有过很多次窃听经历
I think I know how criminals think and act.
我知道很多罪犯的想法和行为
I don't think it was a cold call.
我觉得那不是未经计划的举动
You analyze the 13 pieces that were stolen.
分♥析♥一下失窃的13件藏品
It just seemed like they had either cased the place
他们要么是勘察过那个地方
or given specific information about what to look for,
要么是有人给过他们具体信息
what's on our shopping list.
要偷哪些东西
A finial off the Napoleonic flag?
拿破仑旗帜顶饰
It's confounding.
非常令人困惑
It's hard to figure out why you would, in a museum,
很难想清楚 为什么在一间拥有无价艺术品的博物馆里
with priceless pieces of art,
有人会把宝贵的时间
waste precious time with this finial that is essentially worthless.
浪费在一个基本毫无价值的顶饰上
They had taken a Chinese artifact.
他们拿走了一件中国工艺品
A Chinese ku.
那是中国的青铜彩樽
It's old, it's somewhat valuable,
历史悠久 也很有价值
but not even close toxa0some of the other items of art just in that room.
但价值远远比不上同一间屋里的其他几件藏品
Was the Chinese artifact a diversion?
那件中国工艺品是用来转移注意力的吗
There was one self-portrait of Rembrandt where his eyes follow you around the room.
其中一幅是伦勃朗的自画像 画中的他目光会跟着你转
They tried to steal that and they took it down off the wall,
他们想要偷走 都从墙上摘下来了
and for some reason, it was left behind.
但由于某种原因 这幅画被留下了
And they don't know if it was just too big or they forgot it.
不知道是画作太大 还是他们忘记了
One thing that stuck out was the Rembrandt etching.
最值得注意的是伦勃朗的版画
It's the size of a postage stamp. The frame isn't much bigger.
大小就像邮票一样 画框也没大多少
And yet somebody wasted time unscrewing that
但是有人浪费时间把它拧开了
and then taking apart the whole frame
然后把整个画框都拆开了
and taking only the etching.
只把版画拿走了
Right, if you're carrying out the biggest heist in history
如果要实施史上最大的盗窃案
and you dunno if the police are coming,
你也不知道警♥察♥会不会来
and you have limited time to get valuable artwork,
你时间有限 只能抢走最有价值的艺术品
are you gonna waste time with an etching that isn't that expensive,
你会把时间浪费在一幅价值不算特别高的版画上吗
waste precious moments taking it out of a frame
还浪费宝贵的时间把它从画框里取出来
that you could stick in your pocket regardless?
放弃本可以轻易放进口袋里的珍品呢
I would say no.
我的答案是否定的
The paintings themselves,
这些画作
everybody knows about it so you can't sell 'em on the market.
名气非常大 所以没法放到市场上卖♥♥掉
At least not on the open market.
至少在公开市场上是不可以的
Sold, 43 million.
成交 4300万
Even at a time when prices are setting records,
即使是在艺术品价格屡创新高的年代
dealers and curators sayxa0these paintings would be difficult to fence.
交易商和策展人也表示这些画作很难销赃
Many believe they were hired to steal what they took.
很多人认为他们是受雇盗窃那些东西的
But unless they had a buyer already lined up,
但除非他们已经有了买♥♥家
it may have been one of the dumber robberies in recent history.
否则这可能是近代历史上最愚蠢的抢劫案之一
Given that these pieces are well-known,
鉴于这些作品都很有名
who could possibly keep them?
谁可能会保留它们呢
That's a very good question.
问得好
Only probably a person who is determined
只可能是一个下定决心
to keep them private for the rest of their life.
要用余生私藏这些艺术品的人
Some masterpieces are so valuable,
有些名作价值连城
they may be too hot to sell.
可能热度太高 卖♥♥不出去
Which raises the question:
这就引发了一个问题
were these thieves working for a collector?
这些窃贼是在为一个收藏家工作吗
The Storm on the Sea of Galilee
"加利利海风暴"
is the only seascape that Rembrandt ever painted.
是伦勃朗唯一的一幅海景画
Who is gonna have that in their living room?
谁会把这幅画挂在客厅呢
We started speculating.
我们开始猜测
"Well, maybe it's a... oligarch in Russia, and he's got it in his basement
"也许是... 俄♥罗♥斯♥的一个寡头政♥治♥家 把它放在他的地下室了
and he goes down there and he looks at it."
他会到地下室去欣赏"
You know, the only Rembrandt seascape in existence.
现存唯一一幅伦勃朗的海景画
A lot of people have speculated that it was a Dr. No theory.
很多人猜测 这是诺博士理论
Some rich oil baron or billionaire wanted these particular items,
某位有钱的石油大亨或亿万富翁想要这几件藏品
and they paid a crew to carry out the robbery.
他们雇了一群人去实施抢劫
It's somebody probably looks like a villain from one of the Bond movies.
可能有人像邦德电影里的反派一样
He's sitting there with his cognac
他坐在那里 手里拿着白兰地
and his trophy wife or girlfriend next to him
搂着妻子或女友
admiring the art that was stolen from the Gardner.
欣赏从加德纳博物馆盗来的艺术品
I was the unwanted child of a German missionary
我曾是一名弃婴 父亲是德国传教士
and a Chinese girl of good family.
母亲是一个中国的大家闺秀
Any thought that these paintings
如果有人认为这些画作
are hung on the walls of Mr. Big
是被大人物偷走的
who has them stolen to order
好挂在家里欣赏
is utter rubbish.
那完全是胡说八道
The problem with your Dr. No theory...
诺博士理论的问题在于...
is that as soon as he's commissioned it,
他委托盗贼去实施盗窃以后
and the thieves see there's, in the case of the Gardner Museum,
那些盗贼看到加德纳博物馆
a reward for information leading to the recovery,
悬赏奖励能提供找回藏品线索的人
what are they gonna do? They're gonna cash in.
他们会怎么做呢 他们会去领赏的
They're gonna set the guy up and get their reward.
他们会招供出来 拿到悬赏金
No. Dr. Nos and so on don't exist.
所以诺博士是不存在的
You get some very professional criminals.
如果是非常专业的罪犯
But they don't know how to handle art, what to do with art.
但他们不懂得艺术品 不知道如何处理艺术品
And that's usually their undoing.
他们通常就是这么败露的
Where you've got a professional art thief,
如果是专业的艺术品窃贼