字幕勿扰（2008）

me, it's a metaphor.
天哪彼得才不需要什么隐喻
Oh Jesus Christ Peter
don't need no metaphor,
他就想知道摄影机往哪里摆
just where you want
put the camera.
我继续谈隐喻和讽刺
And I went on about it being
the metaphor and allegory.
我不需要知道什么讽喻
I don't need to
know about allegory,
就要知道哪里该摆摄影机
where to put the camera.
我跟着他来回跑
And I was back
and forth with him
我对维尔莫什说
and I said Vilmos
what'd you do with
你跟其他导演合作的时候是怎么样的？
the other directors
you've worked with?
什么其他导演？
What other directors?
我踩下刹车
And I locked up all four wheels
轮胎摩擦产生的烟
and the smoke of the tires just
充满了整个汽车
filled up the cab
of this Blazer.
这是我拍的第一部户外的彩色电影
This is my first
outdoor color film.
我觉得好吧这确实比较离谱
I thought well this is far out.
- 它是制片厂制度故事的结束
- It was the tale end
of the studio system.
但是有种很强烈的独♥立♥感
But there was a great
feeling of independence and
小成本电影在制片厂之外制♥作♥
that small budget movies being
made outside of the studio,
这是拉兹洛和维尔莫什引领潮流之处
and this is where Laszlo and
Vilmos sort of took the lead.
- 我一直只拍真实的电影
- I always worked on projects
which had to be real.
真实的人物在真实的地点上有真实的布光
Real locations with real
people, believable lighting.
现在我们称之为诗意现实主义
Nowadays we call
this poetic reality.
- 请帮帮忙，请停车！
- Somebody please help, stop!
帮帮我们，请帮帮我们！
Help us, help up please!
- 就像过去的画家做的，比如伦勃朗
- Like the painters used to
do you know the Rembrandt,
卡拉瓦乔，荷兰大♥师♥们，乔治·德拉图尔
Caravaggio, the Dutch
masters, Georges de La Tour.
我的意思是它们很真实但是它就好像是过于真实
I mean they are really real but
it's almost like super real.
- 回想起最初的学习
- Harkens back to
that original training
拍摄真实物体
of shooting real things.
我们现在看所谓的电视真人秀
We look now at what's
supposedly reality television
那真是狗屁，那里没有任何真实可言
and it's such bullshit, there's
nothing real about that.
- 我认为关于谁在向观众传递信息应该五五开
- I think there is probably
a 50/50 proposition
- 我认为关于谁在向观众传递信息应该五五开
in terms of who's getting
across to the audience
我认为演员提供百分之五十
what's going on I think
the actor provides 50%
但是如果没有真确的摄影机角度、
but without the
correct camera angle,
没有真确的布光，那么你（演员）所做的是无用功
without the right lighting what
you're doing means nothing.
- 摄影就像绘画
- Cinematography
like in painting is
是在一张图片里的表达
an expression in a single image.
摄影需要一个起点
Cinematography
needs the beginning
并进化至终点
and an evolution at the end.
你永远不该忘记布光，这个光源
You should never forget
the light this one
它基本上就是一股能量
is practically an
energy, an energy
一股从光源过来的能量
arriving from that source to me.
- 绘画里我最爱印象派
- In painting I
love impressionists.
对我来说没有什么比
And for me nothing
else is as good as
印象派绘画更好
所以对我来说
impressionistic painting
so for me the style of
我称之为诗意现实主义的的风格是电影的风格
what I call poetic reality
is the style for movies.
* 我知道那种男人
* I know that kind of man
* 很难握着别人的手
* It's hard to hold
the hand of anyone
* 伸向
* Whose reaching for the
- 我会说《花村》
- I would say McCabe
and Mrs. Miller
在努力达到印象派的效果，在当时非常真实
was impressionistic in
effort, was real at one time
而我们现在觉得它有一定距离感
and now we are looking
at that from a distance.
* 为什么你不能感受到他在看
* Why can't you feel
that he was watching
- 我在沃伦·比蒂被叫去演男主之前先被
- I was asked to do that
film before Warren Beatty
邀请去参演
was asked to do it and,
我真好离它比较近，我在和它闹着玩
I just was close to it
I was flirting with it
和鲍勃·奥尔特曼
with Bob Altman and
then we couldn't agree.
我们遇到了分歧
We came to a
disagreement however,
等到电影上映的时候，我去看了它
cut to me seeing it
and I'm looking at it
是维尔莫什的所做的让我进入到电影中
and it's Vilmos's work
that gets me into the film
是它的真实感让它
and it's the authenticity
of it that makes it,
让它的所有东西都很可信，使它非凡
makes everything believable
and makes it remarkable.
- 维尔莫什做的太出彩了，它从历史的角度看起来
- Vilmos did such a fantastic
job and it looked so
非常准确，莱昂·埃里克森
historically accurate
and Leon Ericksen
是美术指导
who was the production designer
他基本上从零建了一座小镇
basically built the
town from scratch.
那里原来什么也没有
There was nothing
there it was just
我们刚过去的时候就是一个小山坡
a hillside when
we moved up there.
- 是的，看着泛黄的老旧照片
- Yeah looking at faded
old antique images
决定重新创造一个不复存在的世界
and decide to recreate
a world which doesn't
但在当时它是真实的
exist anymore but in
those days it was real.
- 任何电影都表现了我们生活的一部分
- Any movie represent
one part of our lives
当维尔莫什·日格蒙德创造了
when Vilmos Zsigmond started
《花村》
他能够把
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
practically he was able
匈牙利文化带到美国来
to bring the Hungarian
culture into United States.
- 所以那个做起来是个挑战
- So that was a
challenge to do it
但足够幸运的是我们找到了正确的工具
and but luckily enough we found
the right tools to do that,
负片前闪
flashing the film,
and pushing the film,
我们做了一切能做的让它看起来比较老旧
we did everything
to make it look old.
- 它有点像是给西部片的摄影
- It kind of set the mark
for a certain kind of
一种标志性的颗粒感
它真的是太棒了
grit in Western cinematography,
it was terrific.
- 这部电影大部分都是按剧本顺序拍摄的
- The film was largely
shot in sequence.
必须这么做是因为要一边拍一遍建
It had to be because
things were being built,
这座小镇随着剧情的发展不断的变化
the town was supposedly going
up around us, which it was.
但是暴风雪来的比较早
But they hade this
early snow storm
鲍勃非常喜欢它，我们在雪天里疯了似的
and Bob loved it and
we shot like crazy
连拍了好几天直到
for a few days until
it all I believe
如果我没记错的话
if I remember correctly
that it didn't
雪没有积太久因为它很快就融化了
stay around too long
because it melted.
- 所以我们穿行过树林一直到
- So we hiked through the
woods all the way around
片场的后边穿出树林
to behind the set and